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In reply to the discussion: Remember the old Soviet Union? [View all]leveymg
(36,418 posts)71. There are 2 approaches to police states: Big Brother and Great Fear
We chose the former, the Soviets the latter. Ours is probably the more durable, as it allows mere dissent to be blown off harmlessly through public expression, while also giving the state a more ready opportunity to identify and neutralize those who might actually pose a threat to the status quo. Some undemocratic states combine the two, let me give you two examples: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/29/275653/--UPDATED-The-History-of-Political-Dirty-Tricks-Pt-2-How-to-Colonize-a-Larger-Country
Appointed police president of Berlin in late 1848, Hinckeldey was an innovator of many of the features of modern systematic political policing. Among the tactics that he introduced with his new police system in Berlin was the "Litfass columns". Named for Ernst Litfass, Frederick William's court printer, he had dozens of these large poles erected in strategic spots around Berlin. The public posting of political notices was then banned. By application to a state office for a waiver, however, the columns could be used to display messages. The police dutifully recorded the names of all who had applied. A. Richie, Faust's Metropolis: A History of Berlin, New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, 1998 at p.134.
LEGACY OF THE LITFASS COLUMNS: A similar ploy was later adopted by the People's Republic of China. In the mid-1980s, the Communist authorities at first appear to tolerate the operation of a so-called Democracy Wall, where "dissidents" in Beijing could post political writings, initially, without being arrested. Similar walls then sprung up under the noses of the authorities in other Chinese cities. For this apparent opening to democracy, the Deng regime much applauded, particularly by some in the Reagan-Bush Administration, eager to legitimize the regime and its growing commercial ties with U.S. corporations. Eventually, many of those who had availed themselves of the wall to post political messages were, of course, arrested in the roundup of hundreds of thousands of democracy supporters that followed the Tienamen Square massacre. The impression of anonymity and "freedom" conveyed by the Internet, of course, presents a similar opportunity for police to cast a wide net for identifying persons and organizations who may not hold favor for the regime in power, or may not in the future.
Both have risks and costs.
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You mean when the government was keeping dossiers on nuns who were for (gasp) peace?
Spitfire of ATJ
Jul 2013
#161
"we need passports to go to Canada" as opposed to being SHOT for trying to leave the USSR.
geek tragedy
Jul 2013
#55
"Over there, they don't know the truth. The newspapers tell them what to think."
NBachers
Jul 2013
#5
Yes. That is why I am so appalled by the fact that the Obama administration is arresting
JDPriestly
Jul 2013
#6
True. But as I pointed out, people accepted segregation as the law for a long, long time
JDPriestly
Jul 2013
#131
Soviet Union under Stalin had an incarceration rate of about 800 per 100,000
davidn3600
Jul 2013
#10
But the US has it set up so that it doesnt take much to be convicted of a crime anymore
davidn3600
Jul 2013
#142
Under Stalin 1.7 MILLION died in gulags. Another 799,455 were executed outright.
DevonRex
Jul 2013
#139
McCarthyism was rampant during the Red Scare and black listings of actors, comedians, and others.
Major Hogwash
Jul 2013
#22
Was not institutional though, in that the Civil Rights Movement was able to take place
treestar
Jul 2013
#126
Americans were free to criticize the USSR, but those who criticized the USA, well they got their own
leveymg
Jul 2013
#11
Yes, there is virtually no one who criticizes the US government in our society.
geek tragedy
Jul 2013
#65
Even dissent can be an instrument of Big Brother. Goldstein was actually a double agent, and the
leveymg
Jul 2013
#76
We all are, quite willingly, because expression of difference is a shared psychological need
leveymg
Jul 2013
#95
A lot of busted unions, detained peace activists, brutalized Occupiers, and jailed environmentalists
NuclearDem
Jul 2013
#168
Remember how they dragged sick grannies off to prison for smoking a plant? Remember when they
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2013
#18
" all those evils committed by Communist governments -- are happening here now."
Kolesar
Jul 2013
#36
Yes, I remember. It's one of the reason I have been so appalled with the actions our
Cleita
Jul 2013
#21
You're denying that the USSR was a totalitarian regime that had zero tolerance for dissent. nt
geek tragedy
Jul 2013
#109
You're right, it's delusional hate of the United States and its government.
geek tragedy
Jul 2013
#57
So now Obama is Stalin, and America is now Amerika.. DU has become the Tea Party
geek tragedy
Jul 2013
#52
Is the implication here that the US has NO REASON arrest or even question Snowden? nt
kelliekat44
Jul 2013
#60
The implication is that the Tea party is right about Obama. When we warned people
geek tragedy
Jul 2013
#62
Nonsense but DU does have an "America sucks" clique that will eat it up.
great white snark
Jul 2013
#73
Aren't you worried about being arrested by the Obamastapo for criticizing
geek tragedy
Jul 2013
#127
and that is exactly why Snowden chose to go to China, Russia and now maybe Venezuela
Sheepshank
Jul 2013
#93
Well, plus the millions who were deliberately starved to death due to Stalin's ag policy. nt
geek tragedy
Jul 2013
#108
The Tea Party, Ron Paul, and all of his supporters fully agree with you. nt.
NCTraveler
Jul 2013
#138
When is the US going to sequester an area the size of the Ukraine and take away all the food?
Hekate
Jul 2013
#141
Exactly what do think the US did when it sequestered all of the land occupied
dipsydoodle
Jul 2013
#149
Anyone who says the US is worse than the Soviet Union was doesn't remember it. (nt)
Posteritatis
Jul 2013
#147
Excellent. Except for the last sentence, which is utter BS. Ask Solzhenitzen.
kestrel91316
Jul 2013
#151
My cousin was in the Air Force stationed in England in 1959. He ran across a travel
Cleita
May 2015
#177