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WCLinolVir

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128. It is. That is the level of crazy he has to aspire to lead the jury to.

Reply to bravenak (Reply #122)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:46 AM

Jul 2013

He takes the same line of defense as his client.

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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL - MORNING, Day 14, Friday, July 12, 2013 Let's combine comments into one thread. [View all] GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 OP

I remember a years-long propaganda campaign to pass "Stand your ground" laws in several states Kolesar Jul 2013 #1

Telling the jury that they're too stupid to be a proper jury is a nice start. nt MrScorpio Jul 2013 #2

please do not use your common sense... NatBurner Jul 2013 #3

WOW! He actually that... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #5

Funny thing is that he kept asking Mf. Goode to use his common sense all american girl Jul 2013 #8

The jury instructions explicitly mention common sense Shrek Jul 2013 #14

Exactly right! Just Saying Jul 2013 #83

It seems he keeps telling the jury just to use the evidence and facts, not common sense or Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #225

delete uponit7771 Jul 2013 #56

If he spends an hour talking about burden of proof he will put the jury to sleep so he chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #16

Zimmerman's lawyer is talking down to the jury ChangeUp106 Jul 2013 #4

I'm not sure I can stomach listening to the defense closing arguments. Marrah_G Jul 2013 #6

I can't. I know in order to be "fair", I should but they irritate the crap out of me. Myrina Jul 2013 #33

I know the proscecutor goes first in closing warrior1 Jul 2013 #7

Yes - each gets 3 hours Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #10

thank you warrior1 Jul 2013 #13

I hope they present a theory of what happened JimDandy Jul 2013 #195

Me too. mzmolly Jul 2013 #230

That's true. Hmmm. n/t JimDandy Jul 2013 #242

Absolutely there WILL be a rebuttal! Ninga Jul 2013 #11

"Default" to what you are used to means what exactly? O'Mara instructing jury to be careful Ninga Jul 2013 #9

There is no rebuttal, this is it. LAGC Jul 2013 #91

Prosecutor gets an hour after this guy. Nt bravenak Jul 2013 #102

The party with the burden of proof (the prosecutor) goes last. Shrike47 Jul 2013 #282

Interesting. LAGC Jul 2013 #317

He said said to jury that you "don"t have ANY doubt" He used the wrong standard chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #12

Wound it back and caught that..Rebuttal needs to be scorched earth.... Ninga Jul 2013 #18

and juries get confused by exactly that. I would hang this jury if it wouldn't convict of bettyellen Jul 2013 #35

Thankfully Just Saying Jul 2013 #90

This guys a dick. bunnies Jul 2013 #15

I honestly can't listen to the defense lie to this jury. warrior1 Jul 2013 #17

he isn't defending his client, he's just admonishing the jury Atman Jul 2013 #19

Talking down to women is never a good thing... Ninga Jul 2013 #20

A rambling hot mess. Atman Jul 2013 #27

He's trying to get them to default to 'Well, we don't know, so we can't decide. Acquitted.' Myrina Jul 2013 #36

So far this guy sucks big time. Terrible start to closing. chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #21

I can't listen to this Elmer Fudd. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #22

I am waiting for the Zimmerman lovers to tell us katmondoo Jul 2013 #26

"Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes and ears?" nt MrScorpio Jul 2013 #23

He says the prosecution wants you to believe GZ is some kind of wannabe cop.... chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #32

And he packs a gun. nolabear Jul 2013 #40

What does Neighborhood Watch have to do with Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #24

O'Mara's tone conveys "this was no big deal" and state hasn't proven Z their case...hacking Ninga Jul 2013 #25

Vomit inducing tone, attitude and words, lacking passion or caring..Droning. lecturing. Ninga Jul 2013 #28

Twitter says the jury is paying attention Shrek Jul 2013 #29

My stomach is starting to flutter.......I hate this. Nt Ninga Jul 2013 #31

"He didn't call him (Trayvon) an asshole, he said "THESE assholes" Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #30

Yes, really. Trayvon was part of the "group". He is really splitting hairs if he thinks chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #34

Is this sucking as much as I think it is? bunnies Jul 2013 #37

Twitter says the jury is buying it Shrek Jul 2013 #41

wow. bunnies Jul 2013 #45

Their job is to take it seriously davidn3600 Jul 2013 #48

Yes. But I wouldnt hire a condescending asshole. nt bunnies Jul 2013 #51

I stare and give people my full attention when I think they are lying. WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #54

Attentiveness isn't the same thing as believing it. winter is coming Jul 2013 #109

When is it going to the jury? davidpdx Jul 2013 #38

Barring anything unexpected, this afternoon. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #39

Thanks davidpdx Jul 2013 #44

ME, too. And I wonder how far they'll go with the lies. displacedtexan Jul 2013 #105

He's doing a complete redo of what Zimmerman said. nolabear Jul 2013 #42

Confusing? You bet! O'Mara is no dummy.... Ninga Jul 2013 #47

The term "weasonable" appears lost on him? mzmolly Jul 2013 #141

O'Mara relaxed, no-big deal approach, is clever and purposeful to show that Z was just Ninga Jul 2013 #43

He has to protect his story?? WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #46

Will O'Mara explain the how this fight traveled 40 feet....OH JUST SAID SOMEHOW THE FIGHT MOVED Ninga Jul 2013 #49

..this should be fun, because Z indicated the fight started when he saw TM in the video with agents uponit7771 Jul 2013 #52

Ah, the "somehow, X just happened". A classic. winter is coming Jul 2013 #114

Omara -"...use your common sense carefully..." uponit7771 Jul 2013 #50

This animation! Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #53

Damn, that animation should not have been allowed in the courtroom. Disgusting. lumpy Jul 2013 #293

I hate seeing that video. It leaves a false visual impression. nolabear Jul 2013 #55

WTF!? ...just "somehow" they moved?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #57

Omara - "...however they ended up there..." talking about 40 ' from the spot GZ said TM hit him uponit7771 Jul 2013 #58

I guess Scotty beamed them there? n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #119

animation won't be in jury room riverwalker Jul 2013 #59

Looks like they're tired, animation didn't help either...left too many gaps Z should be filing uponit7771 Jul 2013 #60

Does O'Mara have to poop? Ninga Jul 2013 #61

I don't know but considering how much water he is consuming, he will have to pee. chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #62

TM should have ran faster. Defense rests. NatBurner Jul 2013 #63

That's how they closed it? That Trayvon should have prevented his death SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #126

Basically, yep. It's TM's own fault for 'looking suspicious' and running from Z .... Myrina Jul 2013 #130

The world has gone crazy and is upside down and backwards SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #198

why are they breaking? Kali Jul 2013 #64

Defense only gets 2 hrs for close. Then the prosecution gets an hour to rebut. Myrina Jul 2013 #69

My hope is that it's the shortest jury deliberation in history woodsprite Jul 2013 #65

Amen. n/t truth2power Jul 2013 #66

Okaaayyyy....so Trayvon didn't make it home in 4 mins. all american girl Jul 2013 #67

He was hiding, he didn't want some "creepy ass cracker" to know where he lives. reusrename Jul 2013 #71

there is one additional reason why he might not have wanted to head straight to the house Bodhi BloodWave Jul 2013 #118

Absolutely! reusrename Jul 2013 #124

they won't have to TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #319

nobody wants a nutjob to follow them home TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #318

That also assumes Trayvon HAD...HAD to go home and he didn't. It was TM neighborhood too and he had uponit7771 Jul 2013 #74

+1 Saphire Jul 2013 #243

It's all about reasonable doubt Shrek Jul 2013 #75

The sad thing is that there were only 2 people there.... all american girl Jul 2013 #82

I don't understand about the mysterious 4 minutes Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #80

It's my understanding that Trayvon re-routed after he got weirded out SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #131

wasn't yesterday day 13? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #68

Yes, I made an error in the way I posted. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #194

bob kealing jury observation possible foreman (forewoman) riverwalker Jul 2013 #70

Very disheartening to read.... Ninga Jul 2013 #73

Yes... the "false impression" part is like ....wtf!? uponit7771 Jul 2013 #77

Hopefully, the last word, will be the best word., John Guy.... Ninga Jul 2013 #84

Too bad we live in a cartoon world, I hope the other jurors remind her SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #142

Pre-profiling: "Don't let people think you're non-white" ... Myrina Jul 2013 #139

yes, but I think he is wrong, she won't be the foreman riverwalker Jul 2013 #147

I can't believe she wasn't struck from the jury pool. Myrina Jul 2013 #78

Kealing has ALWAYS slanted his reports to be pro defense, it's his thing. bettyellen Jul 2013 #79

With or without Kealing, juror E6 sounds like the deal breaker. Ninga Jul 2013 #85

I don't know. I just have to throw out what Kealing says, same as GZ. I would be listening very bettyellen Jul 2013 #98

She sounds like she would hold how a woman was dressed against her in a rape case. Nice chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #81

Sadly, I agree with you about her..... Ninga Jul 2013 #86

Oh Lord, after reading comments online about this trial I have lost hope in SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #140

Question - I've reported for jury duty before, but never served on one woodsprite Jul 2013 #72

They're taking notes Shrek Jul 2013 #76

I was given a notebook and pen. You were not allowed to take them with you on break. chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #87

Was on a civil case JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #88

I was told during a case I was on that its up to the judge. Just Saying Jul 2013 #203

own notes, pads destroyed after trial AngryAmish Jul 2013 #95

4 mins assumes Trayvon Martin HAD... HAD to go home?! Also "why are you following me" uponit7771 Jul 2013 #89

I don't understand the mysterious 4 minutes.. wasn't he on the phone w/ Rachel? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #104

O'Mara completely misrepresented Rachel Jeantel's testimony pokerfan Jul 2013 #129

It's time for another episode of BLAME THE VICTIM! nt MrScorpio Jul 2013 #92

Disgusting chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #99

If I knew someone was stalking me, I wouldn't want them to know where I live. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #93

OMG how can O'Mara even force his mouth to form that BS?? Myrina Jul 2013 #94

$$$$$$ WinkyDink Jul 2013 #157

Yes, ignore Dee Dees testimony all together...oh, also ignore Zimmermans statements too!!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #96

Opps....mentions age....17 years old...."gets to talk on the phone" Ninga Jul 2013 #97

I knew he was going to say Trayvon should have run faster. bravenak Jul 2013 #100

this is a pro-profiling defense. Disturbing. bettyellen Jul 2013 #117

I'm starting to feel sick. bravenak Jul 2013 #122

they have been doing that from the beginning- when they opened up with a knock knock joke bettyellen Jul 2013 #127

Your calling the defense lawyers racist? premium Jul 2013 #133

hell yes- they are arguing GZ was smart to be profiling - even though the criminal was caught bettyellen Jul 2013 #150

Yeah that was crap! bravenak Jul 2013 #213

It is. That is the level of crazy he has to aspire to lead the jury to. WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #128

Incredibly. mzmolly Jul 2013 #156

This defense attorney is just lying thru his teeth Just Saying Jul 2013 #101

I think they were trying to get the jury to imagine Trayvon hiding out in the dark, Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #304

Yeah except he was on the phone with Rachel Just Saying Jul 2013 #308

that's what liars do.. they re-write story by twisting the facts Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #315

It was so significant GZ didn't go to the hospital?! Yeah, don't use your common sense ok... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #103

Now the jury is a collective victim?? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #106

seriously pathetic and whiny.. did it ignite the jury's passions? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #305

The prosecution had better have a damm, damm good rebuttal Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #107

Is the Defense done yet? Myrina Jul 2013 #108

It was 2 mins, the defense is stretching the truth and that's the only part of Jentels account he uponit7771 Jul 2013 #110

AND he wants you to use your vivid imagination, as opposed to common sense Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #306

no, the jury has to decide whether GZ is credible based on all they have seen. the state does not bettyellen Jul 2013 #111

Well, no Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #149

No, I just have to KNOW GZ didn't act as a reasonable person. His stories do not mesh or sound true bettyellen Jul 2013 #154

If the state wants to win the case and get a conviction, premium Jul 2013 #160

their theory is GZ lied and exaggerated about the struggle and injuries, and that he was never bettyellen Jul 2013 #161

presenting the undisputable facts & forensic evidence, and precise timeline, is enough Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #307

Look, the prosecution KNEW they have 2 bites at the jury apple. Bernie set up "intent" by using Z's Ninga Jul 2013 #112

It takes 4 minutes to get home, unless you know you are being stalked by a nutcase with a gun bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #113

GREAT POINT!! There should be an OP on what to do when someone is following you uponit7771 Jul 2013 #116

At 17 years of age, I would have been scared to the point of being paralyzed. It is the RARE 17 Ninga Jul 2013 #120

Even saying he was seventeen is a stretch since three weeks earlier he had been 16. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #134

Especially since his brother or someone was AT THE HOUSE ... Myrina Jul 2013 #121

That's what Stranger Danger training tells kids. Blackford Jul 2013 #123

I don't disgaree Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #125

what was zimmerman doing during those four minutes? I missed a lot Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #137

Zimmermann had a lot of time to go home. To go mind his own business. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #155

Exactly. I kept picturing him lurking with a flashlight after a kid mzmolly Jul 2013 #190

somebody on the Frederick Leatherman blog (in discussion board) was saying Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #196

Me too Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #199

I hope so mzmolly Jul 2013 #201

Excellent! Prosecutor just brought this up! bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #264

Of course it is naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #132

I didn't expect him to roll over, but some facts to support his client would be nice. Myrina Jul 2013 #135

That is what defense attorneys do Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #151

Of course, the only thing O'mara can poke holes in is who mounted who, etc. I don't think it matters Hoyt Jul 2013 #249

No dispute that he is doing the job he is paid to do. The family will have gotten their money's Ninga Jul 2013 #136

It seems many new mzmolly Jul 2013 #143

No beavers. The 4 minute thing would not be damning if they were SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #146

George was affected???? bravenak Jul 2013 #115

Opps...there's that "thank God" thing again...watch it O'Mara! nt Ninga Jul 2013 #138

DOCTOR'S CUT WHEN THEY DO THEIR WORK??????WHAT THE FUCK!!! Ninga Jul 2013 #144

when will this guy be done? I want to watch John Guy Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #145

+1 Just Saying Jul 2013 #148

+2 Ninga Jul 2013 #152

+3 skeewee08 Jul 2013 #186

+4 riverwalker Jul 2013 #229

Jodi Arias is innocent. mzmolly Jul 2013 #153

How Many Times Was The Term "Reasonable Doubt" Mentioned In The Defense Close?,,,nt global1 Jul 2013 #158

Just a waste of time... DaDeacon Jul 2013 #159

Omara is 6' 2" tall. His Trayvon cut out looked two inches taller than him. mzmolly Jul 2013 #164

they made Trayvon 6' 3" in the video- for his sneakers and hood. Crazy. bettyellen Jul 2013 #167

Mother F-ers. mzmolly Jul 2013 #172

made Trayvon a crazed Wookie riverwalker Jul 2013 #276

Yet Georgie looked like Charlie Brown mzmolly Jul 2013 #316

hahaha perfect! Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #309

I'm not impressed with either law firm. Trayvon is an innocent victim. lindysalsagal Jul 2013 #162

It's really hard to listen to this guy today imo... polichick Jul 2013 #163

they added 4 inches to Trayvons height in the video- like 2" for the sneakers, LOL and 2: more for bettyellen Jul 2013 #165

And how about body size? Just Saying Jul 2013 #168

Yeah, like the big burly wrestler they want the jury to imagine. polichick Jul 2013 #176

oh yeah- they didn't adjust for weight in video- not significant enough to click the mouse twice and bettyellen Jul 2013 #181

Really. Total Bullshit. polichick Jul 2013 #169

yes- but the jury doesn't know because that was in the hearing over admissibility. bettyellen Jul 2013 #183

Re: O'Mara's tone...What's wrong with him? He sounds like truth2power Jul 2013 #171

Every time O'Mars says "really?" Just Saying Jul 2013 #166

You mean "weawwy" mzmolly Jul 2013 #170

That made me laugh. Just Saying Jul 2013 #173

I know, that's been bugging me too. Juvenile ... trying to appeal to the moms, I suppose. nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #175

Me too! bravenak Jul 2013 #182

the jurors aren't going to like that either TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #320

Well, we shall see if O,Mara's waving his arms telling the jury "move on, nothing to see here" Ninga Jul 2013 #174

when is he done? warrior1 Jul 2013 #177

He's had more than 2 hours, IMHO. Myrina Jul 2013 #179

I think he had 3? mzmolly Jul 2013 #188

If he started at 9:00 am, he has 1/2 hour left... Spazito Jul 2013 #189

I can't stop thinking about this movie scene - while watching O'Mawa. mzmolly Jul 2013 #178

I haven't seen a "if it does not fit, you must acquit" moment in this closing argument yet Blackford Jul 2013 #180

Welcome mzmolly Jul 2013 #185

I think he's putting Zimmy to sleep. eom truth2power Jul 2013 #184

Me too. mzmolly Jul 2013 #192

Has Omara changed his tone or inflection much? uponit7771 Jul 2013 #187

The Prosecution should show zimmermann's MUG SHOT to show how tall he is bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #191

Great idea. mzmolly Jul 2013 #197

I wish the prosecution would read here. They've missed a lot of opportunities, imo. nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #200

I haven't seen a Zimmerman mugshot the shows his height Crabby Appleton Jul 2013 #216

Slap it on the phony cut out. mzmolly Jul 2013 #223

There are multiple mugshots to choose from since zimmerman has been arrested several times bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #234

So basically the defense is using 2 hours to tell them to doubt SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #193

it;s the same as Casey Anthony- they made cartoon images of all the phony people she made up bettyellen Jul 2013 #204

Maybe George and Casey can mate Just Saying Jul 2013 #211

Shudder SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #217

That is what Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #205

The Defense DOES NOT want the jurors to put themselves in GZ's mind set Blackford Jul 2013 #202

Exactly Just Saying Jul 2013 #206

Damn Skippy! nt MrScorpio Jul 2013 #210

I put myself into GZ's mindset a little earlier - hedgehog Jul 2013 #212

concrete as a weapon, LOL. GZ fell on his ass and rolled around. bettyellen Jul 2013 #207

"Great bodily injury to George Zimmerman" MY ASS... polichick Jul 2013 #208

Trayvon was armed with a chunk of sidewalk concrete!!??? SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #209

Does O'Mara have no awareness of how much he is contradicting himself? BainsBane Jul 2013 #214

I'm going to throw up if he doesn't stop talking soon... polichick Jul 2013 #215

Finally!!!!!!! BainsBane Jul 2013 #218

Hopefully the jury was sickened by him too! polichick Jul 2013 #220

Bring on John Guy!!!! skeewee08 Jul 2013 #222

Thank goodness he's done. Just Saying Jul 2013 #219

Oh my f*ing god. He's carrying concrete to show Trayvon was armed. polly7 Jul 2013 #221

I'm not watching right now, but what an idiot! livetohike Jul 2013 #233

I saw one of the prosecutors' faces ..... I think he was ready to burst. Pathetic. nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #240

The prosecutions final close should be interesting! n/t livetohike Jul 2013 #241

To sum up......anyone in a fight can use deadly force. chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #224

That's Florida for ya...there's not much to like about Florida. It started in 2000, with a lot of Ninga Jul 2013 #226

He actually asked to jury to ignore GZ's injuries because the jury chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #231

the injuries are their whole case, lol Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #310

That idea is not unique to Florida hack89 Jul 2013 #235

You are probably right about the law but I was amused when the defense asked the jury to ignore the chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #247

.... especially if near a sidewalk. mzmolly Jul 2013 #227

Crazy is too nice a word..... Ninga Jul 2013 #228

Dangerous mzmolly Jul 2013 #232

Yes, walking on a side-walk while being black in Florida is dangerous. Ninga Jul 2013 #236

basically that's what they're arguing and it does NOT matter if you're "really" hurt either it's jus uponit7771 Jul 2013 #237

lots of 2-year-olds shoot people with guns, so it's conceivable you'd be worried he had a gun Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #311

omg...so true, look at the rash of < 5 kid shootings....this trial opens up so much trouble uponit7771 Jul 2013 #313

go get 'em John riverwalker Jul 2013 #238

NO AFTERNOON THREAD, KEEP USING THIS ONE. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #239

unnn, once John Guy (Costner dude) comes on the threads start getting a little longer :rolleyes: :-) uponit7771 Jul 2013 #245

It's taking me forever to load this thread. n/t Blackford Jul 2013 #248

Prosecutor made an interesting point JayhawkSD Jul 2013 #244

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #253

Welcome Back! RandiFan1290 Jul 2013 #256

Could we please get an afternoon thread? This one is taking forever to load n/t Blackford Jul 2013 #246

Link to the final jury instructions Soundman Jul 2013 #250

2:01 riverwalker Jul 2013 #251

4 minutes was not the time Trayvon had to run home. 4 minutes was the time Trayon had chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #252

brilliant riverwalker Jul 2013 #254

the hoarseness, yes.. I hadn't thought of that before but if I were on the jury it would Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #312

YES! the earbuds, finally!! riverwalker Jul 2013 #255

"Mr. Stay-Puffed Softy" lol n/t riverwalker Jul 2013 #257

Prosecutor just called Zimmerman Generic Other Jul 2013 #258

Really? I'm kind of listening while doing other things senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #259

in was in context riverwalker Jul 2013 #265

Guy is doing a good job... Sancho Jul 2013 #260

Masterful - missing nothing - I'm awed and Mira Jul 2013 #263

Yes he is. Easy to follow his summation for th jury. lumpy Jul 2013 #286

Since the defense specifically disparaged common sense senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #261

The defense has been grasping at all kinds of straws. Pathetic. lumpy Jul 2013 #289

This is a brilliant rebuttal, He is doing Trayvon right. chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #262

Much better than the initial closing so far Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #266

He isn't rebutting the defense Shrek Jul 2013 #267

I know, and that worries me Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #268

He is setting up a narrative that the jurors can use in their truth2power Jul 2013 #271

Better than the defense snow jobbing and fogging the facts. lumpy Jul 2013 #291

he destoyed GZ's stories. and that is all that needs to happen. no doubt we heard nothing but bettyellen Jul 2013 #272

On the gun part yes he does, on the T part yes he does, on the lie he doesn't have to rebut just uponit7771 Jul 2013 #273

The answer (to me) that removes reasonable doubt, was Z's intent, not staying in the car, Ninga Jul 2013 #274

I agree. Avalux Jul 2013 #281

He IS rebutting, he is pointing out the fallacies in Zimmerman's stories... Spazito Jul 2013 #283

He is doing a great job. He has no need to confuse the jury with nonrelated drek, a tactic lumpy Jul 2013 #294

Yep, he was very powerful, rebutting the defense's closing argument... Spazito Jul 2013 #295

amen uponit7771 Jul 2013 #270

one for the parents. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #314

Juror crying during John Guy rebuttal riverwalker Jul 2013 #269

That's a good sine, Guy almost had me at the kid watch!! I have 2 4yr olds with kid watches!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #275

good grief, do we have do be worried about a hung jury....Oh wait I just thouht of something. Ninga Jul 2013 #279

Do you mean they'll be dismissed if the one jurror is thrown out for crying? thx in advance uponit7771 Jul 2013 #287

She can't be dismissed for that (thank goodness). [n/t] stranger81 Jul 2013 #292

3 alternates left, one alternate was dismissed earlier riverwalker Jul 2013 #296

I've been on a jury with alternates and the alternates chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #303

I know riverwalker Jul 2013 #280

And she is the gun owner that O Mara picked out to try and sway with his BS about decison making- bettyellen Jul 2013 #277

Hopefully she as a responible gun owner who does not avebury Jul 2013 #284

she was quoted saying she thinks guns should be more difficult to obtain, so perhaps she is not bettyellen Jul 2013 #297

hmmmm, should be interesting uponit7771 Jul 2013 #285

Thank you for that. bravenak Jul 2013 #288

Me too. I am glad to hear mzmolly Jul 2013 #290

I hope it's not because the other women are bullying her ecstatic Jul 2013 #298

or guilt because she was leaning to acquit..... I thought a few of GZs character / voice witnesses bettyellen Jul 2013 #299

The jurors should not even be discussing the case Just Saying Jul 2013 #301

the jurors are not allowed to even talk to each other TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #321

The Idea of Trayvon Heading for Home or Not.... korak Jul 2013 #278

Please explain "The Other" Avalux Jul 2013 #300

I think the poster is trying to say that ... Myrina Jul 2013 #302