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In reply to the discussion: George Zimmerman Explodes the NRA Fantasy of the Armed Citizen [View all]rrneck
(17,671 posts)116. I don't carry a gun.
Take a self defense class.
I have taken a self defense class and I, unlike you, know how much training it takes to defend yourself in hand to hand combat. I've sparred with people who used to kick box for their regiment in the 82nd Airborne and I know what it feels like to get kicked by someone that outweighs you by sixty pounds. How much training have you actually done?
If you're not strong, chances are good that gun will be taken off you
If you're not strong a self defense class won't do you any good, so you just contradicted yourself there. Have you ever tried to take a gun away from somebody? Here's a little test for you. Find a kid and give them a squirt gun full of paint. Then put on your best Sunday dress and try to take that squirt gun away from her without getting paint on you. Here's a tip: facile bullshit won't help.
What kind of arrogance does it take to proclaim your desire for a violence free utopia for yourself more important than 718,175 people brutalized by someone larger and stronger than them every year? What do you have to say for them? Don't you care? What solution do you offer those people? Surely you have some glib snippet you gleaned from the internet while ensconced in your bubble of confidence. The OP you trot out as proof of something beyond your own jaded sanctimony is little more than a fallacy of division.
It's all well and good to scold people on the internet for entertainment, but there is a real world out there and your glib insults won't help anybody out of a scrape, including you. If that's how you want to handle it good luck. Think back how upset you were when somebody shot a hole in your car. How will you feel when he comes at you with a brick in his hand? Or will your supreme self confidence win the day?
Well it looks like you're spinning away into facile hyperbole again. Here's a bit of reality for you. There are people in the world larger and stronger than you. That's called a disparity of force. Guns were invented to resolve that disparity. Nothing else works better. They don't work every time because, well, reality. You can entertain your prejudices as much as you want but it won't help you or anybody else when they get assaulted. Until you admit that fact, you won't have any credibility in a discussion like this.
I have taken a self defense class and I, unlike you, know how much training it takes to defend yourself in hand to hand combat. I've sparred with people who used to kick box for their regiment in the 82nd Airborne and I know what it feels like to get kicked by someone that outweighs you by sixty pounds. How much training have you actually done?
If you're not strong, chances are good that gun will be taken off you
If you're not strong a self defense class won't do you any good, so you just contradicted yourself there. Have you ever tried to take a gun away from somebody? Here's a little test for you. Find a kid and give them a squirt gun full of paint. Then put on your best Sunday dress and try to take that squirt gun away from her without getting paint on you. Here's a tip: facile bullshit won't help.
What kind of arrogance does it take to proclaim your desire for a violence free utopia for yourself more important than 718,175 people brutalized by someone larger and stronger than them every year? What do you have to say for them? Don't you care? What solution do you offer those people? Surely you have some glib snippet you gleaned from the internet while ensconced in your bubble of confidence. The OP you trot out as proof of something beyond your own jaded sanctimony is little more than a fallacy of division.
It's all well and good to scold people on the internet for entertainment, but there is a real world out there and your glib insults won't help anybody out of a scrape, including you. If that's how you want to handle it good luck. Think back how upset you were when somebody shot a hole in your car. How will you feel when he comes at you with a brick in his hand? Or will your supreme self confidence win the day?
Well it looks like you're spinning away into facile hyperbole again. Here's a bit of reality for you. There are people in the world larger and stronger than you. That's called a disparity of force. Guns were invented to resolve that disparity. Nothing else works better. They don't work every time because, well, reality. You can entertain your prejudices as much as you want but it won't help you or anybody else when they get assaulted. Until you admit that fact, you won't have any credibility in a discussion like this.
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Can you identify a causal link between a gun and the impulse to use it improperly? nt
rrneck
Jul 2013
#6
It's child's play, really. Packing a gun is exactly like using steroids only it's instant.
reusrename
Jul 2013
#69
Don't you think Zimmerman's possession of a gun affected his decision to go hunting?
Loudly
Jul 2013
#104
I don't know, I think you have to have a pretty callous temperament to arm up and carry in public.
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#35
We are talking guns here. I think society has right to define how yahoos use them. Enjoy yours.
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#113
I have bought many handguns with no intention of ever killing anything with them. ...
spin
Jul 2013
#58
Your refusal to face reality should not be construed as evasion from others.
reusrename
Jul 2013
#85
You think an answer is wrong because it doesn't tell you what you want to hear
BainsBane
Jul 2013
#106
Yes, all prudent responses, and you are to be congratulated on your grasp of the obvious,
rrneck
Jul 2013
#82
The whole armed-citizen/citizen militia movement is made of idiots, misfits and nincompoops...
LanternWaste
Jul 2013
#44