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In reply to the discussion: "US worse than the USSR"? American Amnesia of the worst sort [View all]snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)125. IMHO you have hit the nail on the head. I have read many replies here.
America acquired and/or self promoted the picture that we are that shining city, the place for masses to huddle to be free, etc. Just because we haven't, thankfully, anililated as many makes us better, as some seem to be saying, doesn't hold water. There should have been none of it...and that fact we hide it....or at least did when I was in school...is brazen.
E.G. We have killed hundreds of thousands with sanctions and those who, somehow, survived that were bombed or killed in other ways, or tortured (Iraq) is hypocitical to our message of the platitudes we heap on ourselves. I don't feel other countries, for all the gross atrocities, have been so two faced. Again, imho.So maybe we are worse.
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Ask the Native Americans and African Slaves the same questions. We're immaculate.
leveymg
Jul 2013
#1
Yep, those were all horrible things. And the US is STILL not worse than the USSR.
renie408
Jul 2013
#58
I am saying that, as a whole, the US does not have the same history of human rights
renie408
Jul 2013
#67
Do you know what binary thinking is? Cause I don't think you are using that phrase correctly.
renie408
Jul 2013
#83
You are right. We are worse because we are more hypocritical and blind to our own crimes
leveymg
Jul 2013
#131
Lots of people who rooted for the USSR during the cold war are still bitter. nt
geek tragedy
Jul 2013
#5
Well, they have an 'entourage' called Wikileaks but yes, you're probably right.
randome
Jul 2013
#14
The USSR was fighting a civil war (funded from the west) nearly right up to ww2. Post WW2
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#24
In upwards of 60 million people died under the Soviet regime from 1917 to 1959.
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#35
Both sides summarily executed hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people.
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#44
wtf does 'died under the soviet regime' even mean? all deaths? The first statement referred
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#39
1. that doesn't answer my request. 2. rudy rummel = not a scholar, but a propagandist.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#64
no. they are 'backed up' by a limited number of sources which all feed on each other.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#77
well, he's no leftist. his orientation was religious & nationalist. but let's stick with the topic
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#84
does that mean your claim that "he USSR was a death machine post WWII for many decades"
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#133
Uh no. Because population growth has little or nothing to do with killings.
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#137
"a death machine" does, in fact, imply decreasing population. "A problem with killings" does not.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#145
When you call the post-war USSR a death machine for several decades, which you did,
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#154
Are you waxing philosophical or attempting to argue the literal meaning of "death machine?"
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#156
If a country is a death machine, that is not a limited claim. It's a generalized claim.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#157
Take it from this Snowden supporter: Stalin most certainly carried out genocide in the USSR
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2013
#57
Genocide = "the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#59
you haven't presented any impartial scholarship. impartial scholarship would mean using the same
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#161
He mostly let Molotov and Berea craft the orders, but he was definitley behind it.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2013
#71
There's no scholarly consensus about the extent and causes of the Holodomor, other than a famine
leveymg
Jul 2013
#143
I View It As A Perverse Sort Of 'We're Number One!' Cheerleading For The Ol' U. S. of A., Ma'am
The Magistrate
Jul 2013
#9
We Are Number One In Best-Ness, Sir --- Let's See Them Rooskis Top That!
The Magistrate
Jul 2013
#22
That is because the US is a paragon of the inverted totalitarian system
nadinbrzezinski
Jul 2013
#27
This revisionism brings to mind Orwell's notes on Nationalism, specifically the negative nationalism
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#13
a mirror to those who would have us believe that any faction backed by the US is 'right'.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#26
nobody 'dismissed' anything. the fact is that the empire creates the frame. the frame sets up
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#124
They had freedom of the press for 2 fucking years in the 1910s and that means they're better?
DevonRex
Jul 2013
#162
Not a nationalist, just a citizen who thinks we still have a chance for redemption
Hekate
Jul 2013
#190
Sadly, whether we want it to or not, that is what's happening. Like the USSR, for largely the same
leveymg
Jul 2013
#32
Guess you haven't heard about the profiteeting U.S. prisons and its slave labor. nt
valerief
Jul 2013
#30
Oh, golly. I await the witch trials. And have you seen your neighbors in the stocks lately?
Hekate
Jul 2013
#93
But hey, the suppression of all religions means they didn't have Jesus shoved down their throats!
Hekate
Jul 2013
#207
I should have freedom from it but it's in my pledge of allegiance and on my currency.
valerief
Jul 2013
#216
Are you required to attend church? Are you required to pray in government buildings and classrooms?
Hekate
Jul 2013
#217
We don't have to be "as bad as" to point at something and say this is wrong.
Agnosticsherbet
Jul 2013
#34
No. We just drive them crazy by holding them in solitary confinement for many years.
JDPriestly
Jul 2013
#108
+1. not just in absolute numbers, but also per capita. and do we work them? yes, we do, &
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#49
I know there is no comparison, but I was watching a group of Walmart employees sitting together
renie408
Jul 2013
#95
Could you please link me to a post in which someone said the US is worse than the USSR?
JDPriestly
Jul 2013
#110
So, tacking your personal attack to the end of your comment, like you did, makes it OK?
renie408
Jul 2013
#205
Yes, and do we even know how many lives were lost in Central America with the U.S. propping up
avaistheone1
Jul 2013
#98
Huh, tried that too. The hyperbole I got back was that I was somehow a "Randian."
Pholus
Jul 2013
#182
Yes, we are so noted for our intelligent discourse these days. Passion I understand....
Hekate
Jul 2013
#187
I would not say we are worse than the USSR. That would be a gross exaggeration.
JDPriestly
Jul 2013
#96
I've got way too many irons in the fire today. Apparently, I commented in that thread and
HardTimes99
Jul 2013
#123
Just look who's the Russian Allies Today compare to the US allies, it tells a lot. Nt
Sand Wind
Jul 2013
#119
Thanks so much for your input. Those votes won't suppress themselves, you know.
Hekate
Jul 2013
#195
I surely do want this country to improve, Cleita, but spreading misinformation will not do it
Hekate
Jul 2013
#180
I sure didn't, and I've been exceptionally critical of the intelligence and military complex
NuclearDem
Jul 2013
#147
Likewise a lot of posters in this thread display blithering ignorance of historical facts...
Hekate
Jul 2013
#179
If the President of the United States were white, would we even be having this conversation??
Major Hogwash
Jul 2013
#142