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Tarheel_Dem

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22. Doesn't seem to matter that libertarians stand against almost everything else liberals claim to.....

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:25 PM

Jul 2013

care about. I never knew there was such a difference between civil liberties, and civil rights until I heard of the Pauls. That's some crazy crap. Aside from the defense industry, they never met a corporation they wouldn't whore for. This rugged individualist b.s. is all about states' rights, and what's going on in the states right now, especially mine, is very troubling.

Some liberal activists, whom I used to respect, have lost their focus and their influence, because their tunnel vision is always trained on the White House, while the real enemy to our rights are rolling them back left & right. All we need is a nutjob like either of the Pauls appointing federal judges.

Women's reproductive health access, minority voting rights, college student voting rights, refusing federal funds to sustain the social safety net, refusal to set up the health exchanges for the uninsured. One day the activists among us will wake up to find they've been transported to a very different space in time, and wonder WTF happened. Well we know what's happened, ODS has rendered the activists ineffective. And that's just sad.

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Is it possible Snowden is the opening salvo of Paul 2016? [View all] AtomicKitten Jul 2013 OP

nicely counter balanced by Rand hiring a neo-confederate for his core staff Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #1

Who knows, but you can bet he'll build on it flamingdem Jul 2013 #2

Pretty far over on the unlikely side of the scale, IMO. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #3

The freepers certainly think so. They think they've found the formula, as evidenced by this: Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #4

For single-issue voters, AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #7

Doesn't seem to matter that libertarians stand against almost everything else liberals claim to..... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #22

"the Pauls intend to harvest every vote they can" NoPasaran Jul 2013 #32

I saw that movie. :) AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #47

Maybe Democrats should cut that off Union Scribe Jul 2013 #58

oops, wrong place, sorry ucrdem Jul 2013 #61

I love that picture. nt ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #60

This has been obvious all along. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #5

It is suspicious. nt AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #8

Agreed, but Tea Party is George W. Bush all over again, created explicitely to rebrand Bush/Cheney Coyotl Jul 2013 #77

i think he is hoping for Rand to become President so he can come back JI7 Jul 2013 #6

LOL :) nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #26

If Paul comes out hard against NSA spying RobertEarl Jul 2013 #9

Oh I can see the shit now. If you are against NSA spying then you are with Paul. Epic stupidness. L0oniX Jul 2013 #29

Yeah it is shit RobertEarl Jul 2013 #33

No you could be spot on! Hard to tell with insane people. Rex Jul 2013 #10

He's looking to play a big role in "Vote Third Party 2014" struggle4progress Jul 2013 #11

I dunno. Americans don't really seem to care about the spying and both Pauls have done and said a BenzoDia Jul 2013 #12

They do but it depends on how the question is phrased. Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #27

I wouldn't put it past either Paul to use Snowden. baldguy Jul 2013 #13

Well, everybody else has used him. His father initially blamed Wikileaks, but he's since walked.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #23

Snowden is a pitbull RobertEarl Jul 2013 #34

Yaaaaaaaawn gholtron Jul 2013 #55

Rancid rolled out a "4th Amendment Restoration Act" on June 6 ucrdem Jul 2013 #14

You have a problem with the 4th? RobertEarl Jul 2013 #36

No, just with useless dog-whistle legislation ucrdem Jul 2013 #40

I saw for myself what the "useless POS" is. Really terrible: Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #49

Warrants are already required. ucrdem Jul 2013 #53

A very silly idea. Ron Paul is 77 today, so if you really think he is a possibility... Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #15

Ok, this s the only response possible nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #16

keep your eye on Rand Paul AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #17

I have covered his father's rallies for the paper nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #18

I wish Dr. Dean would run and/or Al Gore. AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #19

Rand Paul...or Howard Dean... nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #20

Rand Paul has cut his own political throat kickitup Jul 2013 #38

a rand paul run can only benefit the democrats frylock Jul 2013 #31

Rand Paul attracts flies like dog shit AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #46

Ok, I'll say it Hydra Jul 2013 #64

Exactly. n/t FSogol Jul 2013 #21

Yes and also hear ... GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #24

That is entirely plausible. K&R Number23 Jul 2013 #25

Epic distraction. NSA, HLS,CIA, FBI and bad cops are the problems. L0oniX Jul 2013 #28

I'm sorry, but when I read a diatribe like that. "Constitution" this, and "Constitution" that. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #69

Epic refame fail: No! Being pro constitution does not make me a tea bagger. Thanks for playing. L0oniX Jul 2013 #79

It's about Rand Paul. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #30

Neh, Libertarians (including the two PAULs *and* SNOWDEN) are IRRELEVANT beings. nt UTUSN Jul 2013 #35

The smear and distraction machine is in desperate overdrive, I see. woo me with science Jul 2013 #37

If there was any, it was clearly directed at the Pauls. AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #41

Perhaps your attention should be directed to the Democrats woo me with science Jul 2013 #50

I started a thread about the Pauls' coveting the WH. AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #56

I support the 4th amendment and so should you. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #39

Okay. And why do you think I don't? AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #42

heh, that is ironic considering that your op is ridiculous speculation with no basis in fact. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #78

"Support the 4th Amendment." "Defend the Constitution." It's that simplistic to you, right? randome Jul 2013 #59

Actually the legal history of 4th amendment cases with respect to electronic communications does not Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #73

Sorry if I came across too vitrolic above. randome Jul 2013 #76

I like to listen to CT. I just dont understand how some it accepted and others rejected. This looks rhett o rick Jul 2013 #43

Not really; I did not imply there was any complicity. AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #52

You stated that "Snowden was possibly the opening salvo". Why is Snowden involved? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #54

I have to be brief. AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #62

Oh yeah, well have a great weekend yourself. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #65

If you're saying "will Rand Paul try to use the NSA spying scandal", then, quite possibly muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #80

This will make my suspicions true in this whole Spy and Lie game. The patsy should out the game and Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #44

Two weasels. Historic NY Jul 2013 #45

Snowden/NSA surveillance is probably a tough issue for the right. moondust Jul 2013 #48

This probably belongs in creative speculation. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #51

Rand Paul, yesterday: "I�m �Thinking About� Running for President" ucrdem Jul 2013 #57

Breitbat: "Paul leads the pack of potential 2016 GOP candidates in both Iowa and New Hampshire." ucrdem Jul 2013 #63

Ron Paul Rand Paul Ron Paul Rand Paul Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #66

Snort. No. n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #67

Paul and his infernal agents are under my bed LittleBlue Jul 2013 #68

I don't know what's "under your bed", but the "agents" are certainly fond of this place. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #72

actually, I heard whispered rumors both Snowden and Paul are high level members of the illuminati quinnox Jul 2013 #70

I've had the feeling since the beginning, too, AK.. Cha Jul 2013 #71

I think you are right Andy823 Jul 2013 #74

No. 99Forever Jul 2013 #75