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59. "Support the 4th Amendment." "Defend the Constitution." It's that simplistic to you, right?

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:50 PM

Jul 2013

We have 237 years of judicial fine-tuning of the 4th Amendment and the Constitution and all you can say about them is the above.

It's just like the Bible-thumpers saying 'Obey God's word.'

Life is not so simplistic. There are 300 million interpretations of the 4th Amendment and the Constitution in this country. Yet you think those catch-phrases stand on their own.

There are innumerable exceptions to the 4th Amendment in case you haven't been paying attention.

Fingerprinting. Import inspections. Breathalyzer tests. Metal detectors. Drug-sniffing dogs. Drug tests. DNA tests.

But with more than 2 centuries of refining of the 4th Amendment, you think it can be reduced to 'Support the 4th Amendment.'

I don't get that. I am tired of hearing platitudes no matter how well-intentioned and no matter from what political philosophy they spring from.
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Is it possible Snowden is the opening salvo of Paul 2016? [View all] AtomicKitten Jul 2013 OP

nicely counter balanced by Rand hiring a neo-confederate for his core staff Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #1

Who knows, but you can bet he'll build on it flamingdem Jul 2013 #2

Pretty far over on the unlikely side of the scale, IMO. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #3

The freepers certainly think so. They think they've found the formula, as evidenced by this: Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #4

For single-issue voters, AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #7

Doesn't seem to matter that libertarians stand against almost everything else liberals claim to..... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #22

"the Pauls intend to harvest every vote they can" NoPasaran Jul 2013 #32

I saw that movie. :) AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #47

Maybe Democrats should cut that off Union Scribe Jul 2013 #58

oops, wrong place, sorry ucrdem Jul 2013 #61

I love that picture. nt ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #60

This has been obvious all along. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #5

It is suspicious. nt AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #8

Agreed, but Tea Party is George W. Bush all over again, created explicitely to rebrand Bush/Cheney Coyotl Jul 2013 #77

i think he is hoping for Rand to become President so he can come back JI7 Jul 2013 #6

LOL :) nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #26

If Paul comes out hard against NSA spying RobertEarl Jul 2013 #9

Oh I can see the shit now. If you are against NSA spying then you are with Paul. Epic stupidness. L0oniX Jul 2013 #29

Yeah it is shit RobertEarl Jul 2013 #33

No you could be spot on! Hard to tell with insane people. Rex Jul 2013 #10

He's looking to play a big role in "Vote Third Party 2014" struggle4progress Jul 2013 #11

I dunno. Americans don't really seem to care about the spying and both Pauls have done and said a BenzoDia Jul 2013 #12

They do but it depends on how the question is phrased. Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #27

I wouldn't put it past either Paul to use Snowden. baldguy Jul 2013 #13

Well, everybody else has used him. His father initially blamed Wikileaks, but he's since walked.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #23

Snowden is a pitbull RobertEarl Jul 2013 #34

Yaaaaaaaawn gholtron Jul 2013 #55

Rancid rolled out a "4th Amendment Restoration Act" on June 6 ucrdem Jul 2013 #14

You have a problem with the 4th? RobertEarl Jul 2013 #36

No, just with useless dog-whistle legislation ucrdem Jul 2013 #40

I saw for myself what the "useless POS" is. Really terrible: Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #49

Warrants are already required. ucrdem Jul 2013 #53

A very silly idea. Ron Paul is 77 today, so if you really think he is a possibility... Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #15

Ok, this s the only response possible nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #16

keep your eye on Rand Paul AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #17

I have covered his father's rallies for the paper nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #18

I wish Dr. Dean would run and/or Al Gore. AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #19

Rand Paul...or Howard Dean... nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #20

Rand Paul has cut his own political throat kickitup Jul 2013 #38

a rand paul run can only benefit the democrats frylock Jul 2013 #31

Rand Paul attracts flies like dog shit AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #46

Ok, I'll say it Hydra Jul 2013 #64

Exactly. n/t FSogol Jul 2013 #21

Yes and also hear ... GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #24

That is entirely plausible. K&R Number23 Jul 2013 #25

Epic distraction. NSA, HLS,CIA, FBI and bad cops are the problems. L0oniX Jul 2013 #28

I'm sorry, but when I read a diatribe like that. "Constitution" this, and "Constitution" that. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #69

Epic refame fail: No! Being pro constitution does not make me a tea bagger. Thanks for playing. L0oniX Jul 2013 #79

It's about Rand Paul. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #30

Neh, Libertarians (including the two PAULs *and* SNOWDEN) are IRRELEVANT beings. nt UTUSN Jul 2013 #35

The smear and distraction machine is in desperate overdrive, I see. woo me with science Jul 2013 #37

If there was any, it was clearly directed at the Pauls. AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #41

Perhaps your attention should be directed to the Democrats woo me with science Jul 2013 #50

I started a thread about the Pauls' coveting the WH. AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #56

I support the 4th amendment and so should you. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #39

Okay. And why do you think I don't? AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #42

heh, that is ironic considering that your op is ridiculous speculation with no basis in fact. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #78

"Support the 4th Amendment." "Defend the Constitution." It's that simplistic to you, right? randome Jul 2013 #59

Actually the legal history of 4th amendment cases with respect to electronic communications does not Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #73

Sorry if I came across too vitrolic above. randome Jul 2013 #76

I like to listen to CT. I just dont understand how some it accepted and others rejected. This looks rhett o rick Jul 2013 #43

Not really; I did not imply there was any complicity. AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #52

You stated that "Snowden was possibly the opening salvo". Why is Snowden involved? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #54

I have to be brief. AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #62

Oh yeah, well have a great weekend yourself. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #65

If you're saying "will Rand Paul try to use the NSA spying scandal", then, quite possibly muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #80

This will make my suspicions true in this whole Spy and Lie game. The patsy should out the game and Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #44

Two weasels. Historic NY Jul 2013 #45

Snowden/NSA surveillance is probably a tough issue for the right. moondust Jul 2013 #48

This probably belongs in creative speculation. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #51

Rand Paul, yesterday: "I�m �Thinking About� Running for President" ucrdem Jul 2013 #57

Breitbat: "Paul leads the pack of potential 2016 GOP candidates in both Iowa and New Hampshire." ucrdem Jul 2013 #63

Ron Paul Rand Paul Ron Paul Rand Paul Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #66

Snort. No. n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #67

Paul and his infernal agents are under my bed LittleBlue Jul 2013 #68

I don't know what's "under your bed", but the "agents" are certainly fond of this place. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #72

actually, I heard whispered rumors both Snowden and Paul are high level members of the illuminati quinnox Jul 2013 #70

I've had the feeling since the beginning, too, AK.. Cha Jul 2013 #71

I think you are right Andy823 Jul 2013 #74

No. 99Forever Jul 2013 #75