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Savannahmann

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82. At the very least it is Immoral.

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:13 AM

Jul 2013

If my reading comprehension is at least minimal, and the 4th Amendment has any principle behind it, then it is illegal. Passing a law, and then deciding that the Court System has no jurisdiction over it, certainly isn't legal. For our system to work, the checks and balances must have free hand to oversee one another.

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The ACLU's own text contradicts its case for Snowden's asylum bid. [View all] ProSense Jul 2013 OP

Nice try but ... GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #1

You mean ProSense Jul 2013 #2

Sorry, but you used all those damned "linky-facty" things again, so clearly your post ... 11 Bravo Jul 2013 #49

Wow � 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #80

I think 11 Bravo figured he didn't have to Cha Jul 2013 #88

I didn't forget it, I just didn't use it. (Sometimes I forget ... 11 Bravo Jul 2013 #93

Oops ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #94

Well ...Snowen loves bunnies ...so whatever. n/t L0oniX Jul 2013 #98

Not a nice try "non-authoritarian" Progressive dog Jul 2013 #25

Which state are those? The European ones which grounded Morales flight? BenzoDia Jul 2013 #35

You mean like Russia, where Putin asked him to knock it off CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #39

Which ones would those be? Major Nikon Jul 2013 #83

Oh good, the morning ProSense effort to claim that black is white, up is down.. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #3

Um ProSense Jul 2013 #4

So your contention is that it is both legal and moral Savannahmann Jul 2013 #5

No, ProSense Jul 2013 #7

If Snowden did not release that information. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #11

Don't do that. You'll get her tangled up in her own bullshit. RC Jul 2013 #24

The bullshit, is your comment. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #28

Obvious is obvious RC Jul 2013 #33

Not to mention your comma RetroLounge Jul 2013 #44

Tangled up in blue? nt Zorra Jul 2013 #46

Here ProSense Jul 2013 #27

But the nature of the information is what we were debating. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #37

That makes no sense. ProSense Jul 2013 #38

I still win. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #40

You seem to be the expert on ignoring. RC Jul 2013 #41

One problem with your premise.....as of right now...it is NOT illegal. VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #54

It appears to me, and many more that it is illegal. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #77

But YOU do not get to make that decision do you? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #81

At the very least it is Immoral. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #82

It may be.....but that is the unfortunate consequences of Democracy. VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #95

Doesn't matter if a court finds it illegal in the future. Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #84

Was it? Savannahmann Jul 2013 #87

It was legal to walk down a street until a court said it wasn't Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #90

But they could and did until the court said it was legal. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #91

K&R AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #6

Your posts continue to amuse Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #8

Well, ProSense Jul 2013 #12

It's your prerogative, but G_j Jul 2013 #9

Nice thought, but I have a feeling that's not the mission. polichick Jul 2013 #79

Could you explain what a political crime in the US is? The Straight Story Jul 2013 #10

Definition of POLITICAL CRIME: a violation of the law for political rather than private reasons Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #21

Is Scott Roeder a political prisoner? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #56

Eric Rudolph be defined as a political prisoner.... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #55

It would be more informative if ProSense posted a thread-du-jour about illegal spying... Sancho Jul 2013 #13

Same here. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #16

Not sure ProSense Jul 2013 #17

Well ...someone has an agenda ...and what the NSA does isn't part of that agenda... L0oniX Jul 2013 #99

I enjoy reading your post gholtron Jul 2013 #14

No disidoro01 Jul 2013 #18

The focus is on Snowden gholtron Jul 2013 #20

yes disidoro01 Jul 2013 #31

Answers to.your questions. gholtron Jul 2013 #45

just disidoro01 Jul 2013 #59

I never said President Obama never did anything wrong. gholtron Jul 2013 #65

You heard wrong. disidoro01 Jul 2013 #68

Oh forget it gholtron Jul 2013 #78

I forgot to mention gholtron Jul 2013 #66

read my link disidoro01 Jul 2013 #71

wishing for more common sense like Gholtron NT sigmasix Jul 2013 #103

this x 1million! Nail on the head! NT sigmasix Jul 2013 #102

if you ever form an opinion on snowden SwampG8r Jul 2013 #15

Sure. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #19

When the shit starts flying the blowflies swarm Sheepshank Jul 2013 #22

He did break the law LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #23

Those blue links don't exist. RC Jul 2013 #32

Yes, it's quite surprising LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #62

You'd think a law breaker is a law breaker, huh? RC Jul 2013 #63

You mean like Congress is calling for Clapper's head? Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #26

He broke the law and is not entitled to asylum, Progressive dog Jul 2013 #29

That's a false premise disidoro01 Jul 2013 #34

He applied to everyone that stepped forward Progressive dog Jul 2013 #47

Can you disidoro01 Jul 2013 #60

They EU wouldn't let him in, the countries Progressive dog Jul 2013 #61

I agree disidoro01 Jul 2013 #64

He's also applying our Bill of Rights to the entire world. Which smacks of irony and immense hubris. randome Jul 2013 #30

Recongizing the inalienable rights of all is not the same as governing them all. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #43

"Inalienable rights", is that a Venezuelan Progressive dog Jul 2013 #48

inalienable, unalienable - Inalienable and unalienable are interchangeable Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #50

Thanks for answering a question I didn't raise nt Progressive dog Jul 2013 #52

Ikey-doke. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #53

In his statement this morning, he cited the 4th and 5th Amendments, snappyturtle Jul 2013 #51

Spying WovenGems Jul 2013 #36

Snowden has been charged with espionage. Espionage is a political crime. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #42

Well, ProSense Jul 2013 #57

Yes. One of the charges levied, ESPIONAGE, is a political crime. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #92

K & R Scurrilous Jul 2013 #58

So. Fucking. Transparent. n/t hootinholler Jul 2013 #67

Blah, Blah. Blah. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #69

RAH. RAH. RAH. n/t hootinholler Jul 2013 #72

Yes. We. Can. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #73

You. Sure. Did. n/t hootinholler Jul 2013 #75

You deserve a raise. polichick Jul 2013 #70

Don't you? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #74

Nah - I don't work within the parameters as well as you do... polichick Jul 2013 #76

And, you deserve an Ignore post plaque. Cha Jul 2013 #89

LOL - I've never put anyone on ignore... polichick Jul 2013 #96

My bad.. I meant to write Ignorant. Cha Jul 2013 #97

I see - too ignorant to spell ignorant. lol polichick Jul 2013 #101

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