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TorchTheWitch

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319. they won't have to

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:40 AM

Jul 2013

Woman are raised knowing this. You don't lead someone you believe is creepy or out to get you straight to your door. It's instinctive. Home is a safe haven. And it's not safe anymore when the creepy person or someone you believe is out to do you harm when they know where you live and thus can get to you or your family at any time. You try to lose them so you CAN go home and they won't know where your home is.

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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL - MORNING, Day 14, Friday, July 12, 2013 Let's combine comments into one thread. [View all] GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 OP

I remember a years-long propaganda campaign to pass "Stand your ground" laws in several states Kolesar Jul 2013 #1

Telling the jury that they're too stupid to be a proper jury is a nice start. nt MrScorpio Jul 2013 #2

please do not use your common sense... NatBurner Jul 2013 #3

WOW! He actually that... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #5

Funny thing is that he kept asking Mf. Goode to use his common sense all american girl Jul 2013 #8

The jury instructions explicitly mention common sense Shrek Jul 2013 #14

Exactly right! Just Saying Jul 2013 #83

It seems he keeps telling the jury just to use the evidence and facts, not common sense or Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #225

delete uponit7771 Jul 2013 #56

If he spends an hour talking about burden of proof he will put the jury to sleep so he chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #16

Zimmerman's lawyer is talking down to the jury ChangeUp106 Jul 2013 #4

I'm not sure I can stomach listening to the defense closing arguments. Marrah_G Jul 2013 #6

I can't. I know in order to be "fair", I should but they irritate the crap out of me. Myrina Jul 2013 #33

I know the proscecutor goes first in closing warrior1 Jul 2013 #7

Yes - each gets 3 hours Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #10

thank you warrior1 Jul 2013 #13

I hope they present a theory of what happened JimDandy Jul 2013 #195

Me too. mzmolly Jul 2013 #230

That's true. Hmmm. n/t JimDandy Jul 2013 #242

Absolutely there WILL be a rebuttal! Ninga Jul 2013 #11

"Default" to what you are used to means what exactly? O'Mara instructing jury to be careful Ninga Jul 2013 #9

There is no rebuttal, this is it. LAGC Jul 2013 #91

Prosecutor gets an hour after this guy. Nt bravenak Jul 2013 #102

The party with the burden of proof (the prosecutor) goes last. Shrike47 Jul 2013 #282

Interesting. LAGC Jul 2013 #317

He said said to jury that you "don"t have ANY doubt" He used the wrong standard chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #12

Wound it back and caught that..Rebuttal needs to be scorched earth.... Ninga Jul 2013 #18

and juries get confused by exactly that. I would hang this jury if it wouldn't convict of bettyellen Jul 2013 #35

Thankfully Just Saying Jul 2013 #90

This guys a dick. bunnies Jul 2013 #15

I honestly can't listen to the defense lie to this jury. warrior1 Jul 2013 #17

he isn't defending his client, he's just admonishing the jury Atman Jul 2013 #19

Talking down to women is never a good thing... Ninga Jul 2013 #20

A rambling hot mess. Atman Jul 2013 #27

He's trying to get them to default to 'Well, we don't know, so we can't decide. Acquitted.' Myrina Jul 2013 #36

So far this guy sucks big time. Terrible start to closing. chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #21

I can't listen to this Elmer Fudd. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #22

I am waiting for the Zimmerman lovers to tell us katmondoo Jul 2013 #26

"Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes and ears?" nt MrScorpio Jul 2013 #23

He says the prosecution wants you to believe GZ is some kind of wannabe cop.... chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #32

And he packs a gun. nolabear Jul 2013 #40

What does Neighborhood Watch have to do with Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #24

O'Mara's tone conveys "this was no big deal" and state hasn't proven Z their case...hacking Ninga Jul 2013 #25

Vomit inducing tone, attitude and words, lacking passion or caring..Droning. lecturing. Ninga Jul 2013 #28

Twitter says the jury is paying attention Shrek Jul 2013 #29

My stomach is starting to flutter.......I hate this. Nt Ninga Jul 2013 #31

"He didn't call him (Trayvon) an asshole, he said "THESE assholes" Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #30

Yes, really. Trayvon was part of the "group". He is really splitting hairs if he thinks chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #34

Is this sucking as much as I think it is? bunnies Jul 2013 #37

Twitter says the jury is buying it Shrek Jul 2013 #41

wow. bunnies Jul 2013 #45

Their job is to take it seriously davidn3600 Jul 2013 #48

Yes. But I wouldnt hire a condescending asshole. nt bunnies Jul 2013 #51

I stare and give people my full attention when I think they are lying. WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #54

Attentiveness isn't the same thing as believing it. winter is coming Jul 2013 #109

When is it going to the jury? davidpdx Jul 2013 #38

Barring anything unexpected, this afternoon. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #39

Thanks davidpdx Jul 2013 #44

ME, too. And I wonder how far they'll go with the lies. displacedtexan Jul 2013 #105

He's doing a complete redo of what Zimmerman said. nolabear Jul 2013 #42

Confusing? You bet! O'Mara is no dummy.... Ninga Jul 2013 #47

The term "weasonable" appears lost on him? mzmolly Jul 2013 #141

O'Mara relaxed, no-big deal approach, is clever and purposeful to show that Z was just Ninga Jul 2013 #43

He has to protect his story?? WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #46

Will O'Mara explain the how this fight traveled 40 feet....OH JUST SAID SOMEHOW THE FIGHT MOVED Ninga Jul 2013 #49

..this should be fun, because Z indicated the fight started when he saw TM in the video with agents uponit7771 Jul 2013 #52

Ah, the "somehow, X just happened". A classic. winter is coming Jul 2013 #114

Omara -"...use your common sense carefully..." uponit7771 Jul 2013 #50

This animation! Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #53

Damn, that animation should not have been allowed in the courtroom. Disgusting. lumpy Jul 2013 #293

I hate seeing that video. It leaves a false visual impression. nolabear Jul 2013 #55

WTF!? ...just "somehow" they moved?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #57

Omara - "...however they ended up there..." talking about 40 ' from the spot GZ said TM hit him uponit7771 Jul 2013 #58

I guess Scotty beamed them there? n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #119

animation won't be in jury room riverwalker Jul 2013 #59

Looks like they're tired, animation didn't help either...left too many gaps Z should be filing uponit7771 Jul 2013 #60

Does O'Mara have to poop? Ninga Jul 2013 #61

I don't know but considering how much water he is consuming, he will have to pee. chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #62

TM should have ran faster. Defense rests. NatBurner Jul 2013 #63

That's how they closed it? That Trayvon should have prevented his death SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #126

Basically, yep. It's TM's own fault for 'looking suspicious' and running from Z .... Myrina Jul 2013 #130

The world has gone crazy and is upside down and backwards SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #198

why are they breaking? Kali Jul 2013 #64

Defense only gets 2 hrs for close. Then the prosecution gets an hour to rebut. Myrina Jul 2013 #69

My hope is that it's the shortest jury deliberation in history woodsprite Jul 2013 #65

Amen. n/t truth2power Jul 2013 #66

Okaaayyyy....so Trayvon didn't make it home in 4 mins. all american girl Jul 2013 #67

He was hiding, he didn't want some "creepy ass cracker" to know where he lives. reusrename Jul 2013 #71

there is one additional reason why he might not have wanted to head straight to the house Bodhi BloodWave Jul 2013 #118

Absolutely! reusrename Jul 2013 #124

they won't have to TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #319

nobody wants a nutjob to follow them home TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #318

That also assumes Trayvon HAD...HAD to go home and he didn't. It was TM neighborhood too and he had uponit7771 Jul 2013 #74

+1 Saphire Jul 2013 #243

It's all about reasonable doubt Shrek Jul 2013 #75

The sad thing is that there were only 2 people there.... all american girl Jul 2013 #82

I don't understand about the mysterious 4 minutes Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #80

It's my understanding that Trayvon re-routed after he got weirded out SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #131

wasn't yesterday day 13? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #68

Yes, I made an error in the way I posted. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #194

bob kealing jury observation possible foreman (forewoman) riverwalker Jul 2013 #70

Very disheartening to read.... Ninga Jul 2013 #73

Yes... the "false impression" part is like ....wtf!? uponit7771 Jul 2013 #77

Hopefully, the last word, will be the best word., John Guy.... Ninga Jul 2013 #84

Too bad we live in a cartoon world, I hope the other jurors remind her SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #142

Pre-profiling: "Don't let people think you're non-white" ... Myrina Jul 2013 #139

yes, but I think he is wrong, she won't be the foreman riverwalker Jul 2013 #147

I can't believe she wasn't struck from the jury pool. Myrina Jul 2013 #78

Kealing has ALWAYS slanted his reports to be pro defense, it's his thing. bettyellen Jul 2013 #79

With or without Kealing, juror E6 sounds like the deal breaker. Ninga Jul 2013 #85

I don't know. I just have to throw out what Kealing says, same as GZ. I would be listening very bettyellen Jul 2013 #98

She sounds like she would hold how a woman was dressed against her in a rape case. Nice chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #81

Sadly, I agree with you about her..... Ninga Jul 2013 #86

Oh Lord, after reading comments online about this trial I have lost hope in SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #140

Question - I've reported for jury duty before, but never served on one woodsprite Jul 2013 #72

They're taking notes Shrek Jul 2013 #76

I was given a notebook and pen. You were not allowed to take them with you on break. chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #87

Was on a civil case JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #88

I was told during a case I was on that its up to the judge. Just Saying Jul 2013 #203

own notes, pads destroyed after trial AngryAmish Jul 2013 #95

4 mins assumes Trayvon Martin HAD... HAD to go home?! Also "why are you following me" uponit7771 Jul 2013 #89

I don't understand the mysterious 4 minutes.. wasn't he on the phone w/ Rachel? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #104

O'Mara completely misrepresented Rachel Jeantel's testimony pokerfan Jul 2013 #129

It's time for another episode of BLAME THE VICTIM! nt MrScorpio Jul 2013 #92

Disgusting chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #99

If I knew someone was stalking me, I wouldn't want them to know where I live. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #93

OMG how can O'Mara even force his mouth to form that BS?? Myrina Jul 2013 #94

$$$$$$ WinkyDink Jul 2013 #157

Yes, ignore Dee Dees testimony all together...oh, also ignore Zimmermans statements too!!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #96

Opps....mentions age....17 years old...."gets to talk on the phone" Ninga Jul 2013 #97

I knew he was going to say Trayvon should have run faster. bravenak Jul 2013 #100

this is a pro-profiling defense. Disturbing. bettyellen Jul 2013 #117

I'm starting to feel sick. bravenak Jul 2013 #122

they have been doing that from the beginning- when they opened up with a knock knock joke bettyellen Jul 2013 #127

Your calling the defense lawyers racist? premium Jul 2013 #133

hell yes- they are arguing GZ was smart to be profiling - even though the criminal was caught bettyellen Jul 2013 #150

Yeah that was crap! bravenak Jul 2013 #213

It is. That is the level of crazy he has to aspire to lead the jury to. WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #128

Incredibly. mzmolly Jul 2013 #156

This defense attorney is just lying thru his teeth Just Saying Jul 2013 #101

I think they were trying to get the jury to imagine Trayvon hiding out in the dark, Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #304

Yeah except he was on the phone with Rachel Just Saying Jul 2013 #308

that's what liars do.. they re-write story by twisting the facts Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #315

It was so significant GZ didn't go to the hospital?! Yeah, don't use your common sense ok... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #103

Now the jury is a collective victim?? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #106

seriously pathetic and whiny.. did it ignite the jury's passions? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #305

The prosecution had better have a damm, damm good rebuttal Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #107

Is the Defense done yet? Myrina Jul 2013 #108

It was 2 mins, the defense is stretching the truth and that's the only part of Jentels account he uponit7771 Jul 2013 #110

AND he wants you to use your vivid imagination, as opposed to common sense Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #306

no, the jury has to decide whether GZ is credible based on all they have seen. the state does not bettyellen Jul 2013 #111

Well, no Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #149

No, I just have to KNOW GZ didn't act as a reasonable person. His stories do not mesh or sound true bettyellen Jul 2013 #154

If the state wants to win the case and get a conviction, premium Jul 2013 #160

their theory is GZ lied and exaggerated about the struggle and injuries, and that he was never bettyellen Jul 2013 #161

presenting the undisputable facts & forensic evidence, and precise timeline, is enough Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #307

Look, the prosecution KNEW they have 2 bites at the jury apple. Bernie set up "intent" by using Z's Ninga Jul 2013 #112

It takes 4 minutes to get home, unless you know you are being stalked by a nutcase with a gun bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #113

GREAT POINT!! There should be an OP on what to do when someone is following you uponit7771 Jul 2013 #116

At 17 years of age, I would have been scared to the point of being paralyzed. It is the RARE 17 Ninga Jul 2013 #120

Even saying he was seventeen is a stretch since three weeks earlier he had been 16. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #134

Especially since his brother or someone was AT THE HOUSE ... Myrina Jul 2013 #121

That's what Stranger Danger training tells kids. Blackford Jul 2013 #123

I don't disgaree Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #125

what was zimmerman doing during those four minutes? I missed a lot Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #137

Zimmermann had a lot of time to go home. To go mind his own business. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #155

Exactly. I kept picturing him lurking with a flashlight after a kid mzmolly Jul 2013 #190

somebody on the Frederick Leatherman blog (in discussion board) was saying Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #196

Me too Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #199

I hope so mzmolly Jul 2013 #201

Excellent! Prosecutor just brought this up! bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #264

Of course it is naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #132

I didn't expect him to roll over, but some facts to support his client would be nice. Myrina Jul 2013 #135

That is what defense attorneys do Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #151

Of course, the only thing O'mara can poke holes in is who mounted who, etc. I don't think it matters Hoyt Jul 2013 #249

No dispute that he is doing the job he is paid to do. The family will have gotten their money's Ninga Jul 2013 #136

It seems many new mzmolly Jul 2013 #143

No beavers. The 4 minute thing would not be damning if they were SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #146

George was affected???? bravenak Jul 2013 #115

Opps...there's that "thank God" thing again...watch it O'Mara! nt Ninga Jul 2013 #138

DOCTOR'S CUT WHEN THEY DO THEIR WORK??????WHAT THE FUCK!!! Ninga Jul 2013 #144

when will this guy be done? I want to watch John Guy Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #145

+1 Just Saying Jul 2013 #148

+2 Ninga Jul 2013 #152

+3 skeewee08 Jul 2013 #186

+4 riverwalker Jul 2013 #229

Jodi Arias is innocent. mzmolly Jul 2013 #153

How Many Times Was The Term "Reasonable Doubt" Mentioned In The Defense Close?,,,nt global1 Jul 2013 #158

Just a waste of time... DaDeacon Jul 2013 #159

Omara is 6' 2" tall. His Trayvon cut out looked two inches taller than him. mzmolly Jul 2013 #164

they made Trayvon 6' 3" in the video- for his sneakers and hood. Crazy. bettyellen Jul 2013 #167

Mother F-ers. mzmolly Jul 2013 #172

made Trayvon a crazed Wookie riverwalker Jul 2013 #276

Yet Georgie looked like Charlie Brown mzmolly Jul 2013 #316

hahaha perfect! Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #309

I'm not impressed with either law firm. Trayvon is an innocent victim. lindysalsagal Jul 2013 #162

It's really hard to listen to this guy today imo... polichick Jul 2013 #163

they added 4 inches to Trayvons height in the video- like 2" for the sneakers, LOL and 2: more for bettyellen Jul 2013 #165

And how about body size? Just Saying Jul 2013 #168

Yeah, like the big burly wrestler they want the jury to imagine. polichick Jul 2013 #176

oh yeah- they didn't adjust for weight in video- not significant enough to click the mouse twice and bettyellen Jul 2013 #181

Really. Total Bullshit. polichick Jul 2013 #169

yes- but the jury doesn't know because that was in the hearing over admissibility. bettyellen Jul 2013 #183

Re: O'Mara's tone...What's wrong with him? He sounds like truth2power Jul 2013 #171

Every time O'Mars says "really?" Just Saying Jul 2013 #166

You mean "weawwy" mzmolly Jul 2013 #170

That made me laugh. Just Saying Jul 2013 #173

I know, that's been bugging me too. Juvenile ... trying to appeal to the moms, I suppose. nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #175

Me too! bravenak Jul 2013 #182

the jurors aren't going to like that either TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #320

Well, we shall see if O,Mara's waving his arms telling the jury "move on, nothing to see here" Ninga Jul 2013 #174

when is he done? warrior1 Jul 2013 #177

He's had more than 2 hours, IMHO. Myrina Jul 2013 #179

I think he had 3? mzmolly Jul 2013 #188

If he started at 9:00 am, he has 1/2 hour left... Spazito Jul 2013 #189

I can't stop thinking about this movie scene - while watching O'Mawa. mzmolly Jul 2013 #178

I haven't seen a "if it does not fit, you must acquit" moment in this closing argument yet Blackford Jul 2013 #180

Welcome mzmolly Jul 2013 #185

I think he's putting Zimmy to sleep. eom truth2power Jul 2013 #184

Me too. mzmolly Jul 2013 #192

Has Omara changed his tone or inflection much? uponit7771 Jul 2013 #187

The Prosecution should show zimmermann's MUG SHOT to show how tall he is bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #191

Great idea. mzmolly Jul 2013 #197

I wish the prosecution would read here. They've missed a lot of opportunities, imo. nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #200

I haven't seen a Zimmerman mugshot the shows his height Crabby Appleton Jul 2013 #216

Slap it on the phony cut out. mzmolly Jul 2013 #223

There are multiple mugshots to choose from since zimmerman has been arrested several times bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #234

So basically the defense is using 2 hours to tell them to doubt SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #193

it;s the same as Casey Anthony- they made cartoon images of all the phony people she made up bettyellen Jul 2013 #204

Maybe George and Casey can mate Just Saying Jul 2013 #211

Shudder SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #217

That is what Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #205

The Defense DOES NOT want the jurors to put themselves in GZ's mind set Blackford Jul 2013 #202

Exactly Just Saying Jul 2013 #206

Damn Skippy! nt MrScorpio Jul 2013 #210

I put myself into GZ's mindset a little earlier - hedgehog Jul 2013 #212

concrete as a weapon, LOL. GZ fell on his ass and rolled around. bettyellen Jul 2013 #207

"Great bodily injury to George Zimmerman" MY ASS... polichick Jul 2013 #208

Trayvon was armed with a chunk of sidewalk concrete!!??? SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #209

Does O'Mara have no awareness of how much he is contradicting himself? BainsBane Jul 2013 #214

I'm going to throw up if he doesn't stop talking soon... polichick Jul 2013 #215

Finally!!!!!!! BainsBane Jul 2013 #218

Hopefully the jury was sickened by him too! polichick Jul 2013 #220

Bring on John Guy!!!! skeewee08 Jul 2013 #222

Thank goodness he's done. Just Saying Jul 2013 #219

Oh my f*ing god. He's carrying concrete to show Trayvon was armed. polly7 Jul 2013 #221

I'm not watching right now, but what an idiot! livetohike Jul 2013 #233

I saw one of the prosecutors' faces ..... I think he was ready to burst. Pathetic. nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #240

The prosecutions final close should be interesting! n/t livetohike Jul 2013 #241

To sum up......anyone in a fight can use deadly force. chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #224

That's Florida for ya...there's not much to like about Florida. It started in 2000, with a lot of Ninga Jul 2013 #226

He actually asked to jury to ignore GZ's injuries because the jury chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #231

the injuries are their whole case, lol Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #310

That idea is not unique to Florida hack89 Jul 2013 #235

You are probably right about the law but I was amused when the defense asked the jury to ignore the chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #247

.... especially if near a sidewalk. mzmolly Jul 2013 #227

Crazy is too nice a word..... Ninga Jul 2013 #228

Dangerous mzmolly Jul 2013 #232

Yes, walking on a side-walk while being black in Florida is dangerous. Ninga Jul 2013 #236

basically that's what they're arguing and it does NOT matter if you're "really" hurt either it's jus uponit7771 Jul 2013 #237

lots of 2-year-olds shoot people with guns, so it's conceivable you'd be worried he had a gun Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #311

omg...so true, look at the rash of < 5 kid shootings....this trial opens up so much trouble uponit7771 Jul 2013 #313

go get 'em John riverwalker Jul 2013 #238

NO AFTERNOON THREAD, KEEP USING THIS ONE. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #239

unnn, once John Guy (Costner dude) comes on the threads start getting a little longer :rolleyes: :-) uponit7771 Jul 2013 #245

It's taking me forever to load this thread. n/t Blackford Jul 2013 #248

Prosecutor made an interesting point JayhawkSD Jul 2013 #244

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #253

Welcome Back! RandiFan1290 Jul 2013 #256

Could we please get an afternoon thread? This one is taking forever to load n/t Blackford Jul 2013 #246

Link to the final jury instructions Soundman Jul 2013 #250

2:01 riverwalker Jul 2013 #251

4 minutes was not the time Trayvon had to run home. 4 minutes was the time Trayon had chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #252

brilliant riverwalker Jul 2013 #254

the hoarseness, yes.. I hadn't thought of that before but if I were on the jury it would Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #312

YES! the earbuds, finally!! riverwalker Jul 2013 #255

"Mr. Stay-Puffed Softy" lol n/t riverwalker Jul 2013 #257

Prosecutor just called Zimmerman Generic Other Jul 2013 #258

Really? I'm kind of listening while doing other things senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #259

in was in context riverwalker Jul 2013 #265

Guy is doing a good job... Sancho Jul 2013 #260

Masterful - missing nothing - I'm awed and Mira Jul 2013 #263

Yes he is. Easy to follow his summation for th jury. lumpy Jul 2013 #286

Since the defense specifically disparaged common sense senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #261

The defense has been grasping at all kinds of straws. Pathetic. lumpy Jul 2013 #289

This is a brilliant rebuttal, He is doing Trayvon right. chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #262

Much better than the initial closing so far Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #266

He isn't rebutting the defense Shrek Jul 2013 #267

I know, and that worries me Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #268

He is setting up a narrative that the jurors can use in their truth2power Jul 2013 #271

Better than the defense snow jobbing and fogging the facts. lumpy Jul 2013 #291

he destoyed GZ's stories. and that is all that needs to happen. no doubt we heard nothing but bettyellen Jul 2013 #272

On the gun part yes he does, on the T part yes he does, on the lie he doesn't have to rebut just uponit7771 Jul 2013 #273

The answer (to me) that removes reasonable doubt, was Z's intent, not staying in the car, Ninga Jul 2013 #274

I agree. Avalux Jul 2013 #281

He IS rebutting, he is pointing out the fallacies in Zimmerman's stories... Spazito Jul 2013 #283

He is doing a great job. He has no need to confuse the jury with nonrelated drek, a tactic lumpy Jul 2013 #294

Yep, he was very powerful, rebutting the defense's closing argument... Spazito Jul 2013 #295

amen uponit7771 Jul 2013 #270

one for the parents. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #314

Juror crying during John Guy rebuttal riverwalker Jul 2013 #269

That's a good sine, Guy almost had me at the kid watch!! I have 2 4yr olds with kid watches!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #275

good grief, do we have do be worried about a hung jury....Oh wait I just thouht of something. Ninga Jul 2013 #279

Do you mean they'll be dismissed if the one jurror is thrown out for crying? thx in advance uponit7771 Jul 2013 #287

She can't be dismissed for that (thank goodness). [n/t] stranger81 Jul 2013 #292

3 alternates left, one alternate was dismissed earlier riverwalker Jul 2013 #296

I've been on a jury with alternates and the alternates chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #303

I know riverwalker Jul 2013 #280

And she is the gun owner that O Mara picked out to try and sway with his BS about decison making- bettyellen Jul 2013 #277

Hopefully she as a responible gun owner who does not avebury Jul 2013 #284

she was quoted saying she thinks guns should be more difficult to obtain, so perhaps she is not bettyellen Jul 2013 #297

hmmmm, should be interesting uponit7771 Jul 2013 #285

Thank you for that. bravenak Jul 2013 #288

Me too. I am glad to hear mzmolly Jul 2013 #290

I hope it's not because the other women are bullying her ecstatic Jul 2013 #298

or guilt because she was leaning to acquit..... I thought a few of GZs character / voice witnesses bettyellen Jul 2013 #299

The jurors should not even be discussing the case Just Saying Jul 2013 #301

the jurors are not allowed to even talk to each other TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #321

The Idea of Trayvon Heading for Home or Not.... korak Jul 2013 #278

Please explain "The Other" Avalux Jul 2013 #300

I think the poster is trying to say that ... Myrina Jul 2013 #302