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anomiep

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96. That is not accurate

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:59 AM

Jul 2013

There was at least one abrasion on one of Trayvon's hands. This was noted by the both the Medical Examiner and the defense injury expert. I think they only mentioned one but I could be misremembering. Whether it is enough to consider it evidence of Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman is certainly something that is debatable - I think most people would expect more, and the defense asked their witness and his statement was you may have to make an incision to see damage due to the fact that he died - and since that wasn't done, he couldn't say.

But it's not accurate to claim that he had no cuts, scrapes or bruises, or that the coroner stated that was so. It just is not true.

The picture I saw of Trayvon - the flash washed out his clothes so much that I personally wouldn't state that their was or wasn't anything on or not on the knees of his pants. (the washing-out effect of the flash goes normal just below his knees). I don't know if you're talking about that picture - but it makes me very sad, and is not something I ever want to see again.

The DNA expert testified that there was at least one blood stain on Trayvon's shirt that was a sole source for Zimmerman's DNA.

I get it. A young man died. But facts are facts, not things we can just throw away because it's convenient. Don't take my word for it. Go grab the video of the testimony I referenced, and /check/.

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The black kid hung around too long. [View all] Raven Jul 2013 OP

I'm with you curlyred Jul 2013 #1

women and children need to learn their place in the new old america elehhhhna Jul 2013 #107

Indeed, Ma'am: 'Don't Let The Sun Set On You In This County, ******' The Magistrate Jul 2013 #2

Sundown towns, indeed. nt Nay Jul 2013 #101

Have faith. At least five mothers sit on that jury Blackford Jul 2013 #3

I hope so! n/t Raven Jul 2013 #4

Zimmerman is a son, too, don't forget. Would one of those mothers' sons make a mistake... Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #9

I diasgree with you and will leave it at that. n/t Blackford Jul 2013 #12

True, but most people accept that Ilsa Jul 2013 #13

Absolutely. I think so, too. TM was only 17. I remember being 17....not exactly mature.nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #21

He was barely 17 bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #16

Your info is way off slaveringpalavering Jul 2013 #48

Wrong. The coroner said there were no scrapes, cuts or bruises on trayvons hands. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #49

What coroner? slaveringpalavering Jul 2013 #52

It was a little scratch on one of his forefingers. ReRe Jul 2013 #55

if you reached any harder or longer chillfactor Jul 2013 #73

Trayon had one teeny weeny injury on his left finger.. chillfactor Jul 2013 #75

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #86

no injuries because there was no beating..... chillfactor Jul 2013 #88

I didnt realze there was one little scratch found. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #113

I want you to do a little experiment for us libodem Jul 2013 #122

That is not accurate anomiep Jul 2013 #96

You didn't see the photo of the body on Gawker today, I guess brush Jul 2013 #51

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #68

You call those grass stains brush Jul 2013 #76

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #80

If I was straddling a big body and punching and bashing and exerting all brush Jul 2013 #83

NOT GRASS STAINS! n/t chillfactor Jul 2013 #85

do you live in a nut-gun bubble? chillfactor Jul 2013 #77

Welcome Back! RandiFan1290 Jul 2013 #102

And another troll billh58 Jul 2013 #148

I'm afraid the evidence clinches it: GZ was beaten up to some extent; TM was not. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #133

Zero proof for that claim. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #136

Huh? Are you living in a bubble? The prosecution CONCEDES GZ's injuries. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #137

His injuries came from someone other than the murdered child bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #141

There was a child there? I thought there was just the adult male and the teenager. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #142

He had been 16 two weeks prior. Junior in high school bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #145

He was a child. You are mistaken TNNurse Jul 2013 #19

TM wasn't a child. He was old enough to get married & join the army. He was a late teen. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #135

He 16 2 weeks before he was stalked and murdered bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #138

There is no conviction of stalking and murdering in this case. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #140

High school junior, on the honor roll bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #143

He was not 18. He could not vote. He was a child. TNNurse Jul 2013 #147

7, 17, 27, 50 moonlady0623 Jul 2013 #30

He was 16 years old and 21 days brush Jul 2013 #50

I think a mother would disagree with you on that. vaberella Jul 2013 #64

A seventeen year old is not an adult. murielm99 Jul 2013 #65

he was about my size hfojvt Jul 2013 #74

So now you are changing terms? murielm99 Jul 2013 #92

murdering a child isn't a "mistake" TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #123

From what I've seen of the closing argument, it wasn't very good. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #5

That's a big stretch Blackford Jul 2013 #15

the prosecution's closing arguments... chillfactor Jul 2013 #79

In those 4 minutes George Zimmerman decided to kill the black kid. Premeditated? gordianot Jul 2013 #6

Shit! Good point! Defense might have suggested that Raven Jul 2013 #7

The "Why didn't he get home in 4 minutes" argument is beyond appalling alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #8

Why didn't GZ not head back to his truck then broiles Jul 2013 #11

Why did he get out of his truck? TNNurse Jul 2013 #20

What is so shameful about it? hfojvt Jul 2013 #78

there is NO CLEAR INDICATION chillfactor Jul 2013 #81

"Instead, he stayed around to attack?" brush Jul 2013 #112

I think if there's anything to be taken out of this anomiep Jul 2013 #10

Are you African American? Blackford Jul 2013 #14

Well, we've seen what happened when he didn't call the cops. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #25

I don't think so. yardwork Jul 2013 #26

Of course. That's exactly what would've happened. The cops are on their way to look for TM... Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #44

Ding dong the wicked witch is dead. madashelltoo Jul 2013 #53

I know. It's a shame. TM would be alive if he had. I'm not quick to call the cops, either. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #62

You so missed my point. madashelltoo Jul 2013 #63

Martin was 16 years old and 21 days, brush Jul 2013 #54

Trayvon Martin was a kid. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #59

not very familar with the cops in the town are you? chillfactor Jul 2013 #84

Hence anomiep Jul 2013 #28

and, now that I think of it anomiep Jul 2013 #38

Many people learn not to trust police. nt RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #23

. . . and for good reason. nt Lex Jul 2013 #24

And some people are taught that, I'm sure, because of others' experiences Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #27

What basis do you have for saying that Trayvon didn't think this was a dangerous situation? yardwork Jul 2013 #32

No. It's from the evidence I saw on tv. The testimony. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #37

There's no evidence that Zimmerman's nose was broken. The photos show two little cuts on the tip. yardwork Jul 2013 #46

I didn't say it was broken. It was busted (up). The photos are in evidence. Nose swollen & bleeding. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #47

It's not settled that Martin approached zimmerman brush Jul 2013 #57

BTW, does anyone know who took those pictures of GZ with the bloodied swollen nose.... ReRe Jul 2013 #60

I assumed the police, but I don't know. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #61

I recall that the photo of the back/top of his head Adsos Letter Jul 2013 #69

Thanks for the info.. ;-) ReRe Jul 2013 #72

Oh, yeah. I remember the neighbor saying he took photos. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #131

Sounds like you're confusing evidence with testimony brush Jul 2013 #111

Testimony is evidence anomiep Jul 2013 #126

I don't think it is settled. I don't even think that is what happened notadmblnd Jul 2013 #130

You can only believe otherwise if you disregard the evidence. I listed the evidence. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #132

I have to disregard the evidence as GZ provides it notadmblnd Jul 2013 #144

Sounds like you're a zimmerman supporter brush Jul 2013 #56

+1 yardwork Jul 2013 #100

Shoulda Coulda Blah, Blah, Blah otohara Jul 2013 #31

Offensive Closing otohara Jul 2013 #17

The prosecutor should have adieu Jul 2013 #18

Emmet Till is incredibly relevant, jury aside. Exactly the same sociopathy writ large. byronius Jul 2013 #22

If you think the case is valid, there is no need to try to exaggerate by calling TM a child. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #33

He sure looked like a child to me. RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #39

Look up the definition in the dictionary. Look up age to join the army. Age to get married. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #40

I looked up the definition. RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #41

Dictionary quakerboy Jul 2013 #149

I'm a high school teacher Nevernose Jul 2013 #43

+1 Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #71

But, I think that a 17-year-old has to have parental consent. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #45

Correct. Adsos Letter Jul 2013 #70

My husband signed up at 17, and that was long ago. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #89

Me too, over 40 years ago. Adsos Letter Jul 2013 #90

I signed my delayed enlistment anomiep Jul 2013 #93

No. Most people consider underage teenagers to be children. gollygee Jul 2013 #105

What an obtuse point. n/t byronius Jul 2013 #150

Zimmerman and his supporters are defending their right to kill any black male. yardwork Jul 2013 #29

I haven't read that. There's a group of GZ supporters defending rt to kill black males? Link? Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #34

By your posts brush Jul 2013 #58

+1 HiPointDem Jul 2013 #36

I don't know anomiep Jul 2013 #95

People who insist that "both sides are equally at fault" are a big part of the problem. yardwork Jul 2013 #98

Please show me where I claimed that anomiep Jul 2013 #121

OMG! I'm with you Raven...I hope the mothers can apply justice. nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #35

Under the defense theory, if Zimmerman had been killed, Trayvon Martin would have been acting JDPriestly Jul 2013 #42

Are you hoping that these mothers on the jury are prejudiced based flvegan Jul 2013 #66

there was a life in the balance...Trayvon's.. chillfactor Jul 2013 #87

So you were there? flvegan Jul 2013 #91

If he gets the maximum (Murder II)... ReRe Jul 2013 #67

that he hung around so long hfojvt Jul 2013 #82

You're fuckin kidding me right?! He hung around because it was HIS FUCKIN NEIGHBORHOOD!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #94

He has a right to be in his neighboorhood, but if trayvon was scared, why would he stick around? Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #103

Because he thought he lost Zimmerman. all american girl Jul 2013 #108

It doesn't indicate that to me at all. All kinds of other explanations are more likely. yardwork Jul 2013 #99

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #104

Easily. There are no lights along that path between the units. yardwork Jul 2013 #114

He told his friend that he lost Zimmerman, he just went to doing what he was before all american girl Jul 2013 #110

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #116

There's absolutely nothing wrong with being out for a walk at 7 pm on a Sunday evening. yardwork Jul 2013 #119

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #120

What absolute drivel. yardwork Jul 2013 #124

Zimmerman wasn't on his phone at that point Nevernose Jul 2013 #125

Zimmerman had to hang up at that point, polly7 Jul 2013 #134

To me, it indicates he was hiding gollygee Jul 2013 #106

That so totally sucks! In_The_Wind Jul 2013 #97

Yes. And like Trayvon should have just led a creepy person back to.. Little Star Jul 2013 #109

Somehow the racists have to find a way to make this all Trayvon's fault. yardwork Jul 2013 #115

Makes this lily white woman ashamed. ugh! Little Star Jul 2013 #117

Me too. yardwork Jul 2013 #118

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Oh they were real Rstrstx Jul 2013 #128

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disgusting victim blaming BainsBane Jul 2013 #139

The Gungeoneers billh58 Jul 2013 #146