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ceonupe

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28. Main problem is

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:14 PM

Jul 2013

It's not against the law to follow, profile, confront, question anyone.

Even if I as a black male take offense to being followed or profiled (happens more than once a month to me by both police and private citizens) I can not strike attack or otherwise assault the person disrespecting me.

None of GZ not listing to a operator is illegal (morally wrong and I think it led to the shooting but its not illegal).

I wish the state had done more to explain how the physical confrontation started as that is the meat of this case and if you follow the law without emotion then you will see the state has not proved its case.

I hope people who are fired up about this become more involved and move to change the law but seeing as the basis of SYG is the castle doctrine and that has been a part of our legal system since the start.

If the jury votes based on emotion or the notion they just can't let GZ walk the could vote manslaughter but otherwise purely on the fact presented if I was on the jury I would have to acquit.

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Zimmerman: Just play the dispatch conversation and sit down. [View all] kpete Jul 2013 OP

My kick of this OP is not because this is new information, but to encourage those of us Ninga Jul 2013 #1

. libodem Jul 2013 #2

John Guy pokerfan Jul 2013 #26

Thank you all american girl Jul 2013 #41

Zimmerman's voice is slow and dopey, I'm not sure he's "all there". Is it just me? NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #3

There is something wrong with Zimmerman. He has a history of violence and blaming other people. yardwork Jul 2013 #6

All that and he is allowed to have a gun? NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #8

The whole country is awash in guns and we're not allowed to say anything about it. yardwork Jul 2013 #10

So many children killed in households by guns not properly secured or just carelessly left lumpy Jul 2013 #37

I was living in Colorado 20 some odd years ago all american girl Jul 2013 #42

I was unaware of this NJCher Jul 2013 #13

Too many unsupervised people with mental problems in this country. Zimmerman is an example. lumpy Jul 2013 #38

And none of that was allowed in mzmolly Jul 2013 #29

My opinion precisely. In addition, he has this kind of confused look on his face. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #12

"reptile reaction" Yep. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #14

all through the trial he reminded me of a puff adder TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #17

That IS a depraved state of mind. Kablooie Jul 2013 #4

Need we say more. John2 Jul 2013 #5

If a stranger chases you and you defend yourself with bare hands, Kablooie Jul 2013 #15

And you can hear zimmerman huffing and puffing and his footsteps as he runs after trayvon. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #21

Oh, but Trayvon had a curb! klook Jul 2013 #24

Oh no, my friend, he had a big sidewalk.... all american girl Jul 2013 #43

"He's got something in his hands" and Zimmerman was thinking that something livetohike Jul 2013 #7

Yep, snd i would bet zimmerman had his gun drawn as he chased trayvon. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #22

I remember hearing about a study that said that if you carry a gun you think others do also. all american girl Jul 2013 #44

If you got a chip on your shoulder....stalk a kid .....get up in his face, jessie04 Jul 2013 #9

OK, Zimmerman mentions that Trayvon Martin is black -- twice. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #11

And you know John2 Jul 2013 #18

Yes. But you never know. That gum-spitting motorist might be a terrible racist and JDPriestly Jul 2013 #19

I never heard that.... all american girl Jul 2013 #45

" These assholes...they always get away" jessie04 Jul 2013 #16

K&R!! hue Jul 2013 #20

Why the bold emphasis on "HE LOOKS BLACK" ? HolyMoley Jul 2013 #23

I was wondering that too... Bay Boy Jul 2013 #53

. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #25

The neighbor's 911 call with screams in the background did it for me. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #27

I don't either... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #34

Main problem is ceonupe Jul 2013 #28

We dont know exactly how it started BUT jessie04 Jul 2013 #30

Nope, georgie grabbed his gun and took off after an unarmed kid. Anything Martin might have done Hoyt Jul 2013 #31

There is only 2 ways, as I see it (and I'm not the most clever person) that Trayvon could see all american girl Jul 2013 #48

The old RW 'emotion' ploy. Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #33

Trayvon was standing his ground. GZ is guilty of homicide and of a hate crime. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #36

Travon can not assault GZ ceonupe Jul 2013 #55

I hate that kind of thing anomiep Jul 2013 #49

REPEATEDLY Following someone in FL is stalking, it doesn't matter the time span either just as long uponit7771 Jul 2013 #58

Wrong if it was trust the state would have charged GZ ceonupe Jul 2013 #60

You definitely have a right to defend yourself. reusrename Jul 2013 #59

by law you are wrong even if your emotions would be judged by many as ceonupe Jul 2013 #61

It's absolutely right. reusrename Jul 2013 #62

Fucking "coons" is what he says burnodo Jul 2013 #32

That motherfucker. I called this a hate crime from the beginning. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #35

Listening to the dispatcher tape I heard Zimmerman in a low voice say what sounded like lumpy Jul 2013 #40

I heard that...I hope the jury heard that. jessie04 Jul 2013 #47

That was always as clear as day to me. nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #46

Definitely. Its very clear. bunnies Jul 2013 #50

THANK YOU, BURNODO! That's EXACTLY what he says. There is a LONG U sound, not a Ecumenist Jul 2013 #57

� What is that...? TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #39

a murderer. bunnies Jul 2013 #56

"late teens" bunnies Jul 2013 #51

Of course, he knew. displacedtexan Jul 2013 #52

That and.. bunnies Jul 2013 #54