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31. So people who think the government must be transparent

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:20 PM

Jul 2013

are wrong? Do you not believe that all agencies of the government are answerable for their behavior to executive, legislative and judicial branches of government? That their actions should be open and transparent to all Americans as well? That we should not spy on Americans in violation of the Constitution, that our spy agencies should not attempt to assassinate or topple foreign leaders, manipulate, infiltrate or otherwise interfere with the self-determination of other nations? These are issues far more important to me than calling out Snowden or Greenwald.

Our government needs a new set of checks and balances specifically outlining what our government can or cannot do. As long as we are guilty of crimes, you cannot really fault anyone from presenting the evidence to the world. I don't like the idea that our government may be doing things so horrific that we as Americans will suffer for it if the facts are made public, but I am not willing to defend such behavior with my silence either.

I don't think that makes me a traitor to my country. Maybe though you do.

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Greenwald says Snowden Documents Could Be 'Worst Nightmare' for US (Patriot NOT) [View all] flamingdem Jul 2013 OP

Sounds like it's Greenwald who is already on his knees. randome Jul 2013 #1

Ah, the timeline flamingdem Jul 2013 #3

Yup gulliver Jul 2013 #13

Sounds like Greenwald may have collaborated before the fact Blackford Jul 2013 #101

Sounds like blackmail even if true treestar Jul 2013 #2

With this it's hard to see how anyone can call him a whistleblower flamingdem Jul 2013 #5

Bully Obama pushing Pootie Poot around! treestar Jul 2013 #8

Can't wait to see what Wikileaks calls Obama today! flamingdem Jul 2013 #11

It does sound like a threat, doesn't it? Whisp Jul 2013 #41

The FBI already knows exactly what files has been accessed by Snowden so there will not be any Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #4

Yes they seem to know that he has lists of agents flamingdem Jul 2013 #6

Link? Last I read they weren't sure exactly. But that was a while ago. BenzoDia Jul 2013 #43

Actually saw Robert Mueller on news report via tv, don't have a link, suggest you can use search Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #68

Have they been tracking him through all his jobs? dkf Jul 2013 #106

Yawn. Just another apology #5 "Greenwald/Flaherty/Gillum/Apuzzo/Braun is a hack" PSPS Jul 2013 #7

Yes and most of the gang is here! LOL Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #107

How about a preemptive strike? Have the NSA release all the documents first. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #9

This treason and the defending of it is one of the worst tragedies since 9/11... AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #10

"Tip of the iceberg" (Dem Rep Loretta Sanchez). We'll see who has HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #30

This is about more than NSA surveillance of American citizens. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #40

Oh, puh-leeze. Your appeals to nationalism are falling on deaf ears. Patriotism, as HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #50

Tell it to the founding fathers nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #62

Cries of "nationalism" when someone doesn't want to see harm done to their country. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #91

So, now, Greenwald the Tool makes threats? MineralMan Jul 2013 #12

I just figured out he's trying to capitalize on anti-USA sentiments in Latin America flamingdem Jul 2013 #14

No doubt. Capitalizing on anti-USA sentiments MineralMan Jul 2013 #17

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #15

Well you'd have to blame the journalist flamingdem Jul 2013 #16

And in every negative thread about Greenwald MineralMan Jul 2013 #18

So people who think the government must be transparent Generic Other Jul 2013 #31

+10 Well said. RC Jul 2013 #108

I think you mixed up pro and anti. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #35

is it time for '2 minutes hate' already? markiv Jul 2013 #19

Is it time for referencing fictional novels to make political points already? nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #23

Orwell was a keen observer of political reality markiv Jul 2013 #27

Yes interesting it makes you so comfortable Maximumnegro Jul 2013 #46

I don't know if you won but you can sure run logic circles around anyone! randome Jul 2013 #60

it's called 'circular logic' nt markiv Jul 2013 #66

who said i wasnt comfortable? markiv Jul 2013 #63

At least Orwell makes sense Generic Other Jul 2013 #64

well said markiv Jul 2013 #67

He's a good read. I'll give you that. But policy should be strictly based on data. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #92

What not the Bible? Generic Other Jul 2013 #109

What about morals? RC Jul 2013 #110

"I have here in my hand a list of 205 . . ." ucrdem Jul 2013 #20

Is this like the Giant Doomsday Folder of Encrypted Doom to destroy the BOA NoPasaran Jul 2013 #21

And that's just SO helpful to the American people, right, Glenn, you fucking asshole? DevonRex Jul 2013 #22

Greenwald is talking about the U.S. government killing Snowden Enrique Jul 2013 #24

If it's true they have agent names, Snowden's life isn't worth more flamingdem Jul 2013 #32

He's talking about damaging our Nation for a personal vendetta. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #36

no, he's saying if they KILL HIM Enrique Jul 2013 #45

If he has what some fear, that should be an option on the table. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #47

He obviously has a vendetta. He betrayed a nation of millions. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #49

And our government hasn't with all their secrecy, spying, lying, war mongering, and so on... RC Jul 2013 #111

He's talking about embarrassing politicians, and costing the national security state a lot of money. Marr Jul 2013 #56

That doesn't bring the US govt. "to it's knees", which btw is a pretty Sado-Masochistic flamingdem Jul 2013 #61

Wait-- you're complaining that his words don't conform well to your framing? Marr Jul 2013 #69

He's talking about bringing the U.S. to its knees. Do you think there aren't a LOT of DevonRex Jul 2013 #48

Greenwald said that Snowden was such a great hacker, could protect the info from Russians etc flamingdem Jul 2013 #70

It makes Greenwald a target and Greenwald's associates, too. DevonRex Jul 2013 #76

It's curious. What does he hope to achieve by putting crosshairs flamingdem Jul 2013 #77

snowden already made it clear that he had info... allin99 Jul 2013 #87

They could both be lying, too. randome Jul 2013 #94

whether it is or is not a lie doesn't change the possible consequences. allin99 Jul 2013 #95

The definition of insanity continues................ wandy Jul 2013 #25

These threads would be funny if they weren't so sad. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #26

I have been getting flamed here for saying Snowden is not a patriot liberal N proud Jul 2013 #28

Fat chance. eom Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #113

Lol! BenzoDia Jul 2013 #29

So, Snowdens holding out on us. bunnies Jul 2013 #33

That is Greenwald and Guardian Media Group's decision. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #42

Now that the traitors are cornered, the charade is falling. And the threats emerge. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #34

Once Snowden is back in the motherland flamingdem Jul 2013 #37

Has Greenwald been charged with a crime? grasswire Jul 2013 #51

Snowden has confessed to felonies. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #55

That's right. I forgot he confessed in Hong Kong flamingdem Jul 2013 #59

once again: Has Greenwald been charged with any crimes? grasswire Jul 2013 #73

The journalist was associated with the spy before he stole the secrets. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #89

This will make Glenn 'ca-ching' Greenwald a lot richer. Whisp Jul 2013 #38

He learned his Glen Beck lessons well flamingdem Jul 2013 #39

"any other person" is such an absurd claim. bunnies Jul 2013 #44

Which is why the US downed the plane of a head of state MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #52

And you trust Greenwald to make decisions on that? flamingdem Jul 2013 #53

I don't have a choice in the matter MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #54

"downed"? The Soviets "downed" Korean Airlines Flight 007 FarCenter Jul 2013 #96

Hmmm... can we agree that the White House *forced* down the plane MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #102

And the USS Vincennes "downed" Iran Air flight 655 Fumesucker Jul 2013 #114

Is he daring them to go after him? cuz with a statment like that, they certainly could... allin99 Jul 2013 #57

fundraising nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #58

i've seen their fundraising, and that's not it. allin99 Jul 2013 #82

This is getting just plain sick Politicalboi Jul 2013 #65

Everytime He Opens His Mouth = More Danger & Fear otohara Jul 2013 #72

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #71

Sooooo can the fan club tell us what this whole thing is about again? BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #74

And people still worship GG and Snowden? flamingdem Jul 2013 #75

The 4th was the the bait and they swallowed it hook, line and sinker. The switch did DevonRex Jul 2013 #79

Snowden is kissing Putin's ass flamingdem Jul 2013 #80

Putin's a tough one. Old school KGB. He does nothing out of kindness. DevonRex Jul 2013 #83

With some unsmiling guards outside his door flamingdem Jul 2013 #85

Haha! Hope he likes borscht. nt DevonRex Jul 2013 #90

i'd glad ES did what he did, so if that qualifies me for fan club i'll give you my opinion... allin99 Jul 2013 #84

Cheers BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #88

i think he's nothing more than an asshole self-serving turd... allin99 Jul 2013 #93

I just never got the foreign angle BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #98

I agree. The father mentioned that Wikileaks just dumps everything flamingdem Jul 2013 #99

the only reason i didn't get it is because... allin99 Jul 2013 #104

Snowden needs to release the whole Aerows Jul 2013 #78

Greenwald would be happy to see Snowden dead; then he gets the decryption keys to the archive FarCenter Jul 2013 #81

I'm sure you understand that Greenwald is borderline flamingdem Jul 2013 #86

Do you have any proof Greenwald is borderline psycho? neverforget Jul 2013 #105

He doesn't have any proof at all. RC Jul 2013 #112

I will make my first post criticizing the Obama administration AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #97

And some would name this guy a hero. Blackford Jul 2013 #100

Russia won't extradite if the country has the death penalty flamingdem Jul 2013 #103