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In reply to the discussion: Carney responds to question about Snowden meeting with human rights groups. [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)Actually, those countries do put forth a fiction that they are a "People's" Republic (China) and a Federal Republic (Russia).
Now, you remember that "R" word in that little thing you learned in school? ...and to the Republic, for which it stands...?
Do you think it would have helped matters if people like you were personally informed of the details of the landing at Normandy during WW2? Because, ya know, you have a RIGHT to know everything, right fricking now?
The Cold War isn't over. The Chinese are robbing us blind of intellectual and industrial property and weapon technology. The Russians aren't sitting on their hands either. Only people who don't pay attention haven't noticed the expulsions and jailings of spies hither and yon since walls got torn down and everyone in the military got a cute little "Cold War" certificate.
Mister Snowden did a great job of flipping the "WTF is up with PLA UNIT 61398" script, with allegations that haven't yet been proven. If he really wanted to have a conversation about this matter, he would have stayed home, lawyered up, and talked vaguely enough to not risk national security while demanding a closed session with Senate Intel Oversight. He wouldn't be making assertions about "US crimes" in regions where he wants to hang his hat, to encourage anti-American sentiment.
Pootie Poot didn't play, though--he said "If you want to stay here, you have to shut up." Pootie Poot wants Obama to visit in six weeks, and Obama won't if Ed is still there.
And I don't see anyone from VZ sending a plane for Ed. "Find your own way, pal..." That's the message for the "Papa Caliente."
I would welcome a public, sustained conversation between governmental oversight personnel and Mister Snowden about this matter. I don't believe he wants to have one, though--he wants to play "Where's Eddie" and drop turds, one at a time, in order to headline grab with his little friend Julian of the Back Room in the Knightsbridge Embassy. I'm not impressed with him and I don't believe his motives are pure--when he went from China to Russia, I smelled a huge rat.
And now, after that "press conference" with the KGB operative masquerading as a "Human Rights spokesperson," I'm quite convinced this guy is a bullshitter.
And funny--after that ginned up show, Russia is STILL staying they haven't received an asylum request from Eddie. Apparently they didn't hear the words that were coming out of his mouth:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/world/europe/edward-snowden-asylum.html?_r=0
Maybe they "lost" it?
Starting to sound like THEY don't want him around either.
From the link:
MOSCOW Senior Kremlin officials said Saturday that Russias Federal Migration Service had not yet received a formal appeal for asylum from Edward J. Snowden. And the Russian foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, insisted that the government had had no contact with him a curious statement given the governments clear role in arranging a meeting at Sheremetyevo airport here in Moscow on Friday between Mr. Snowden and lawyers and human rights advocates. .... The verbal maneuvering seems to signal that Russias political position vis-à-vis Mr. Snowden has been complicated further by his now publicly professed desire to stay here. Although President Vladimir V. Putin has insisted that Mr. Snowden must stop harming American interests, the Obama administration has made clear that it believes those interests are being harmed so long as Mr. Snowden is on the loose.
.....On Saturday, however, the director of Russias Federal Migration Service, Konstantin Romodanovsky, told the Interfax news agency that no request had been received. At the present time, there have been no applications from Snowden, he said. If we receive an application, it will be considered in due process of law.
and MOST TELLING:
The Russian government has itself shown little regard for the international asylum process when it has pursued fugitives abroad. In a case last fall, a political opposition leader wanted by the Russian authorities who fled to Kiev and requested asylum was kidnapped when he stepped outside of his lawyers office for lunch. He was put in a van by masked men and driven back to Moscow, where federal officials insisted he had surrendered.