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MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. Plenty. Actions precipitate reactions.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:49 PM
Jul 2013

Actually, those countries do put forth a fiction that they are a "People's" Republic (China) and a Federal Republic (Russia).

Now, you remember that "R" word in that little thing you learned in school? ...and to the Republic, for which it stands...?

Do you think it would have helped matters if people like you were personally informed of the details of the landing at Normandy during WW2? Because, ya know, you have a RIGHT to know everything, right fricking now?

The Cold War isn't over. The Chinese are robbing us blind of intellectual and industrial property and weapon technology. The Russians aren't sitting on their hands either. Only people who don't pay attention haven't noticed the expulsions and jailings of spies hither and yon since walls got torn down and everyone in the military got a cute little "Cold War" certificate.

Mister Snowden did a great job of flipping the "WTF is up with PLA UNIT 61398" script, with allegations that haven't yet been proven. If he really wanted to have a conversation about this matter, he would have stayed home, lawyered up, and talked vaguely enough to not risk national security while demanding a closed session with Senate Intel Oversight. He wouldn't be making assertions about "US crimes" in regions where he wants to hang his hat, to encourage anti-American sentiment.

Pootie Poot didn't play, though--he said "If you want to stay here, you have to shut up." Pootie Poot wants Obama to visit in six weeks, and Obama won't if Ed is still there.

And I don't see anyone from VZ sending a plane for Ed. "Find your own way, pal..." That's the message for the "Papa Caliente."

I would welcome a public, sustained conversation between governmental oversight personnel and Mister Snowden about this matter. I don't believe he wants to have one, though--he wants to play "Where's Eddie" and drop turds, one at a time, in order to headline grab with his little friend Julian of the Back Room in the Knightsbridge Embassy. I'm not impressed with him and I don't believe his motives are pure--when he went from China to Russia, I smelled a huge rat.

And now, after that "press conference" with the KGB operative masquerading as a "Human Rights spokesperson," I'm quite convinced this guy is a bullshitter.

And funny--after that ginned up show, Russia is STILL staying they haven't received an asylum request from Eddie. Apparently they didn't hear the words that were coming out of his mouth:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/world/europe/edward-snowden-asylum.html?_r=0

Maybe they "lost" it?

Starting to sound like THEY don't want him around either.

From the link:


MOSCOW — Senior Kremlin officials said Saturday that Russia’s Federal Migration Service had not yet received a formal appeal for asylum from Edward J. Snowden. And the Russian foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, insisted that the government had had no contact with him — a curious statement given the government’s clear role in arranging a meeting at Sheremetyevo airport here in Moscow on Friday between Mr. Snowden and lawyers and human rights advocates. .... The verbal maneuvering seems to signal that Russia’s political position vis-à-vis Mr. Snowden has been complicated further by his now publicly professed desire to stay here. Although President Vladimir V. Putin has insisted that Mr. Snowden must stop harming American interests, the Obama administration has made clear that it believes those interests are being harmed so long as Mr. Snowden is on the loose.
.....On Saturday, however, the director of Russia’s Federal Migration Service, Konstantin Romodanovsky, told the Interfax news agency that no request had been received. “At the present time, there have been no applications from Snowden,” he said. “If we receive an application, it will be considered in due process of law.


and MOST TELLING:

The Russian government has itself shown little regard for the international asylum process when it has pursued fugitives abroad. In a case last fall, a political opposition leader wanted by the Russian authorities who fled to Kiev and requested asylum was kidnapped when he stepped outside of his lawyer’s office for lunch. He was put in a van by masked men and driven back to Moscow, where federal officials insisted he had surrendered.


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K&R. n/t FSogol Jul 2013 #1
The spectacle of ProSense Jul 2013 #2
Carney needs to look up the definition of dissident. He clearly has no idea DesMoinesDem Jul 2013 #3
Maybe Americans don't get to be dissidents - we're exceptional, ya know. polichick Jul 2013 #4
We do and we aren't at risk for doing it treestar Jul 2013 #24
Snowden is a dissident... polichick Jul 2013 #34
the whole statment was awesome. lol... allin99 Jul 2013 #5
"Has Obama made any statements regarding Putin's law criminalizing open homosexuality?" ProSense Jul 2013 #6
that has zero to do with my question... allin99 Jul 2013 #7
LOL! ProSense Jul 2013 #8
BTW, here's a recent U.S. statement issued to the OSCE ProSense Jul 2013 #10
Thank you. allin99 Jul 2013 #12
Laws of Attrition: Crackdown on Russia’s Civil Society after Putin’s Return to the Presidency struggle4progress Jul 2013 #14
The Moscow transit lounge has the bestest human rights policies evah!!! Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #9
A failed attempt at CYA. A rather facile one, at that. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #11
HaHa.. it was a perfect response to those who whine for Snowden who Cha Jul 2013 #16
Excellent snark from Carney flamingdem Jul 2013 #13
Wasn't that a brilliant response from Jay? Cha Jul 2013 #18
Cha have you seen this spy v spy article? flamingdem Jul 2013 #21
Really!? 'Cause it reads like The Onion! Cha Jul 2013 #25
more attack the messenger to avoid talking about the message as usual nt msongs Jul 2013 #15
In this case, he was asked a question about the messenger and he answered it Godhumor Jul 2013 #17
So true! mahalo, Cha Jul 2013 #19
It JUST keeps getting WORSE. bvar22 Jul 2013 #20
We'll just have to wait until we get defectors from Russia and China to know THEM by their works. nt MADem Jul 2013 #26
What does THAT have to do with the decisions MY government is making? bvar22 Jul 2013 #30
Plenty. Actions precipitate reactions. MADem Jul 2013 #31
When I let what someone else does, bvar22 Jul 2013 #33
You can't do shit if you're not allowed on the field. MADem Jul 2013 #36
Since When does Russia have Human Rights Groups? AnnieBW Jul 2013 #22
Hot off the presses usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #23
Here's a video if anyone is interested. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #27
Well you just joined.. Welcome to DU, Cha Jul 2013 #29
Kick for another thread with facts regarding Cha Jul 2013 #28
Fact like he's a criminal hiding behind human rights to mask his pre planned vindictive leaking. great white snark Jul 2013 #32
Yes, snark.. Snowden is hiding behind the skirts Cha Jul 2013 #35
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