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hootinholler

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Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:25 PM Jul 2013

The root issue Snowden exposed: Clapper's Library [View all]

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Something that was said in an interview of James Clapper which has really stuck in my craw. This has bothered me for a month now and I for one want to know exactly what he means with his library metaphor and who are the librarians?

As an aside, given my understanding of librarians' support of privacy, this is some high order irony in metaphor selection.

In any event, this is the metaphor:

JAMES CLAPPER:

I understand that. But first let me say that I and everyone in the intelligence community all-- who are also citizens, who also care very deeply about our-- our privacy and civil liberties, I certainly do. So let me say that at the outset. I think a lot of what people are-- are reading and seeing in the media is a lot of hyper-- hyperbole.

A metaphor I think might be helpful for people to understand this is to think of a huge library with literally millions of volumes of books in it, an electronic library. Seventy percent of those books are on bookcases in the United States, meaning that the bulk of the of the world's infrastructure, communications infrastructure is in the United States.

There are no limitations on the customers who can use this library. Many and millions of innocent people doing min-- millions of innocent things use this library, but there are also nefarious people who use it. Terrorists, drug cartels, human traffickers, criminals also take advantage of the same technology. So the task for us in the interest of preserving security and preserving civil liberties and privacy is to be as precise as we possibly can be when we go in that library and look for the books that we need to open up and actually read.

You think of the li-- and by the way, all these books are arranged randomly. They're not arranged by subject or topic matter. And they're constantly changing. And so when we go into this library, first we have to have a library card, the people that actually do this work.

Which connotes their training and certification and recertification. So when we pull out a book, based on its essentially is-- electronic Dewey Decimal System, which is zeroes and ones, we have to be very precise about which book we're picking out. And if it's one that belongs to the-- was put in there by an American citizen or a U.S. person.

We ha-- we are under strict court supervision and have to get stricter-- and have to get permission to actually-- actually look at that. So the notion that we're trolling through everyone's emails and voyeuristically reading them, or listening to everyone's phone calls is on its face absurd. We couldn't do it even if we wanted to. And I assure you, we don't want to.


First let's ignore he has a fundamental misunderstanding who a customer of a library is, and rather focus on the notion that the NSA or other agency has a library containing all of the communications that pass through US infrastructure.

In the final bolded sentence, he almost said it the right way around, and then amazingly states that we put these 'books' in his 'library' rather than his first instinct that the books are filled by taking our private correspondence and storing it.

ANDREA MITCHELL:

Senator Wyden made quite a lot out of your exchange with him last March during the hearings. Can you explain what you meant when you said that there was not data collection on millions of Americans?

JAMES CLAPPER:

First-- as I said, I have great respect for Senator Wyden. I thought, though in retrospect, I was asked-- "When are you going to start-- stop beating your wife" kind of question, which is meaning not-- answerable necessarily by a simple yes or no. So I responded in what I thought was the most truthful, or least untruthful manner by saying no.

And again, to go back to my metaphor. What I was thinking of is looking at the Dewey Decimal numbers-- of those books in that metaphorical library-- to me, collection of U.S. persons' data would mean taking the book off the shelf and opening it up and reading it.



Everyone got wrapped around the axle over the least untruthful comment when the real shocker to me at least is in bold.

The notion of "I didn't collect it if I didn't read it" is classic ministry of truth doublespeak.

col·lect
/kəˈlekt/

Verb
Bring or gather together (things, typically when scattered or widespread).

Synonyms
verb. gather - assemble - accumulate - amass - muster - pick

col·lec·tion
/kəˈlekSHən/
Noun

The action or process of collecting someone or something.

Synonyms
gathering - assemblage - accumulation


This must be dismantled. The question is how do we accomplish that?
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It is the 3 parties (TELECOMS) that 'collect' and own the meta-data Tx4obama Jul 2013 #1
He implies that there is much more than metadata in the book hootinholler Jul 2013 #3
Hello? .. it wouldn't be a REAL "library" by definition, unless 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #2
Of course they can hootinholler Jul 2013 #14
Can i offer what might be a naive opinion... allin99 Jul 2013 #4
Let's take this "library" metaphor one step further............ wandy Jul 2013 #5
You've got hold of the wrong end of the stick intaglio Jul 2013 #6
I don't think I do hootinholler Jul 2013 #7
Go to a large reference library intaglio Jul 2013 #8
But the book exists hootinholler Jul 2013 #9
OK, play dumb intaglio Jul 2013 #11
Who are the Librarians? Octafish Jul 2013 #10
If I were an Evil Brazillionaire Overlord... hootinholler Jul 2013 #12
Knowledge Is Power Octafish Jul 2013 #17
A most excellent movie with a powerful lesson in moral behavior hootinholler Jul 2013 #25
What_did_Tice_say_about_Cheney_tasking_the_Obama_and_political_intercepts? leveymg Jul 2013 #26
I'm not too sure about the brazilianaire part hootinholler Jul 2013 #28
"I am your father" leveymg Jul 2013 #32
:D More like Rove's Father hootinholler Jul 2013 #33
Am I supposed to trust this guy, Clapper, more than Edward Snowden? kentuck Jul 2013 #13
There really needs to be a robust investigation. hootinholler Jul 2013 #15
I know this isn't very sexy hootinholler Jul 2013 #16
that confusing exchange means nothing. DCBob Jul 2013 #34
Read the entire interview hootinholler Jul 2013 #35
well if snowden has the motherload as he has claimed then why isnt it in any of the documents? DCBob Jul 2013 #36
How would I know that? hootinholler Jul 2013 #37
What he's implying is that every American now has an accessible "Permanent Record" of GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #18
Clapper *clarified* his lie for the 1% and Snowden persists in his truth for the 99% Catherina Jul 2013 #19
Information is what Democracy and Spies crave. Octafish Jul 2013 #20
This thread is chock full of reading material. Quantess Jul 2013 #21
Interesting how quickly he switched from "belongs to" suffragette Jul 2013 #22
Yes he almost slipped the truth out. n/t hootinholler Jul 2013 #23
Thanks for this important thread suffragette Jul 2013 #24
YEP! Recommend! KoKo Jul 2013 #27
omg, were those statement from clapper supposed to make us feel *better*? ay yi yi n/t allin99 Jul 2013 #29
Thanks, Hoot! You bring up an interesting point about what Clapper said.. KoKo Jul 2013 #30
Look at post 16 hootinholler Jul 2013 #31
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