The root issue Snowden exposed: Clapper's Library

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4. Can i offer what might be a naive opinion...

I think it's up to Obama and people like Wyden, Udall.

I could swear to god i think obama does care about things that encroach on people civil liberties, i think supporting people in congress who support implementing laws that give citizens more protection could be the answer. I think obama *wants* to change things and given the chance he would. i don't think he'll *fight* for the issue, but the patriot act comes back up in what, 3 years? Can it be modified then? i mean, heck, if obama had some big ones he *could* just veto it, right? That would be the single easiest solution That would just be f'g hot. lol. .

i think it takes...
public pressure via momentum of the issue
- i think that will happen with more information being released, not just gg and his crazy shit, but whatever information Yahoo is able to get from the gov't
support to the congress persons who believe there should be changes made.
- those person would have to be identified. personally i'm willng to put whatever my yearly donations to political issues all to supporting the repeal of the most egregious parts of fisa and the patriot act. I already donated to Wyden and ACLU.

i'm so frustrated by people like wyden, etc's hands being so tied. he and 26 other senators demanded information. Does anyone know where that ended? i don't know. but when i searched i didn't find it but i found this...

Sorry it's the guardian, obviously they have an agenda, but i am pretty sure Wyden wouldn't mind the article, so here ya go:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/12/senator-ron-wyden-white-house-data-collection

One of the leading civil liberties supporters in the US Senate has said the Obama administration is considering scaling back its bulk collection of Americans' phone records.

Ron Wyden, Democrat of Oregon and a member of the Senate intelligence committee, told the New York Times that he believed the administration was increasingly concerned about the privacy implications raised by a surveillance effort it has performed for four and a half years, after National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden revealed it to the Guardian.

"I have a feeling that the administration is getting concerned about the bulk phone records collection, and that they are thinking about whether to move administratively to stop it," Wyden told the Times.

Aides to Wyden said on Friday that the statement was based on public comments from executive branch officials and the senator's prior experience with the termination of a bulk email collection program in 2011, something the Guardian recently reported. The administration has given Wyden no additional assurances of changes to the phone records collection, the aides said.

but then again, and this is so frustrating:

A test of the administration's intentions about the future of the phone records collection is fast approaching. An order by the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance (Fisa) court compelling Verizon to provide the NSA with records of customers' phone calls expires on 19 July. The secret surveillance court orders have been renewed every 90 days for years.

Yet it is unclear if the public will know whether the bulk collection will continue as it is, be modified, or be cancelled. Fisa court orders are not public documents.

The good news being that secret orders operate under renewal, the bad news is, as it is now we won't know if they stop. So i think that's a pretty big issue, esp since people who reveal said secrets, well, are criminally charged.