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Hassin Bin Sober

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73. I don't think T reached for his gun.

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:53 PM

Jul 2013

I think Z lied about that and probably the "you are going to die" statement.

Those were the screams of someone getting their ass kicked.

I have had a gun pointed at me once and I was with someone one who pointed a gun at someone once. Both times the gun created the sphincter factor and everybody shut up. I just don't see someone screaming for 40 seconds.

I can see someone screaming WHILE being shot. But not for 40 seconds and definitely not WHILE pummeling someone with a gun pointing at them. That makes zero sense to me.

John Goode saw Trayvon on top beating Z. Simultaneously the neighbor was recording Z screaming. Goode steps inside and the gun goes off right before his call.

Z stops screaming because the person pummeling him just keeled over.

Z starts concocting a story to cover his own ass PROBABLY because he knows he started the confrontation and he knows he is in trouble unless he shows he was the attacked person.

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God Damn It! I just listened to the recording of Trayvon screaming "Help", then the gunshot. [View all] NYC_SKP Jul 2013 OP

I can't imagine there's anyone here with any interest in this case TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #1

Au contrar.... NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #4

it's horrendous TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #9

I just listened to it for the first time, because of this post. TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #10

You need a better imagination. crim son Jul 2013 #16

I just listened for the first time. PufPuf23 Jul 2013 #21

I actually hadn't listened to that tape before. pnwmom Jul 2013 #37

I have not listened to the recording or viewed photos. CottonBear Jul 2013 #52

I only just learned the time the murder happened. But I can't listen to tape or look at KittyWampus Jul 2013 #99

I've never heard it. If you don't like it, I imagine they don't have it kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #101

Jesus. That is a kid screaming. CurtEastPoint Jul 2013 #2

I have not heard it before and I have followed the news. CurtEastPoint Jul 2013 #3

Yes, he is. He's screaming his heart out for his very life. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #5

No wonder the defense doesn't want the jury to use their common sense. n/t chieftain Jul 2013 #6

Didn't others testify that was Zimmerman screaming? flvegan Jul 2013 #7

Testimony from witnesses about what they think they remember hearing is one thing. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #11

If they did, they were lying their asses off Hugabear Jul 2013 #12

an entire parade of unbelievable friends and family TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #13

yes, Zimmerman's mom testified that it was George screaming hfojvt Jul 2013 #20

I assure you that I'm neither. So what I'm reading is flvegan Jul 2013 #36

sure most people are going to deny hfojvt Jul 2013 #40

I get your point, but let me ask you this... DearAbby Jul 2013 #70

Your question undermines the case of the prosecution. flvegan Jul 2013 #87

I believe that scream came from a person who knew he had only seconds to live DearAbby Jul 2013 #88

And that is a fair and reasonable opinion to come to. flvegan Jul 2013 #91

Are you being sarcastic? merrily Jul 2013 #39

see my post above hfojvt Jul 2013 #42

I think Zimmerman's mom has the greater incentive. merrily Jul 2013 #45

I think they are all lying. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2013 #54

Someone winning a fight who saw a gun pointing at his heart might scream. merrily Jul 2013 #66

I don't think T reached for his gun. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2013 #73

It doesn't matter what people thought they saw bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #80

For me it was about the body language laundry_queen Jul 2013 #57

You have a valid point. It's all about body LukeFL Jul 2013 #62

I'm not sure - it was on CNN. nt laundry_queen Jul 2013 #86

I try to be objective, but, for my own child, I'd circle wagons all day long. merrily Jul 2013 #67

I don't think I would. laundry_queen Jul 2013 #85

We're talking life in prison or the death penalty, not an apology. merrily Jul 2013 #94

So what? laundry_queen Jul 2013 #96

His poor parents. UtahLib Jul 2013 #8

Is there any edited version with the phone conversation removed? HolyMoley Jul 2013 #14

Both mothers identified it as their childs voice - lynne Jul 2013 #15

Agreed Lurks Often Jul 2013 #89

After listening to the recording a number of times cpwm17 Jul 2013 #17

If it was George why would he stop screaming after the shot. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #19

why would he keep screaming hfojvt Jul 2013 #22

He still needs help, the police were called and he needed for them to find him. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #24

that's not an urgent need hfojvt Jul 2013 #30

Your argument makes sense cpwm17 Jul 2013 #76

Because Georgie boy said he didn't think he hit him. George is full of it, and a bigoted gun nut. Hoyt Jul 2013 #28

Good point. nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #32

but he also said that hfojvt Jul 2013 #33

Whoa, I missed that. If that is true, Zimmerman should get life where Papillon was imprisoned. Hoyt Jul 2013 #71

Exactly, Hoyt. Vox Moi Jul 2013 #34

A direct, 90 degree hit to the heart from close range and he thought he missed. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #81

I don't buy that argument cpwm17 Jul 2013 #27

GZ didn't think Trayvon was dead. moondust Jul 2013 #31

Who's more likely to stop screaming in the MIDDLE of the scream? Nevernose Jul 2013 #41

Insanity or denial. moondust Jul 2013 #43

That's my thinking, too. TroglodyteScholar Jul 2013 #98

You've bought into lies, pal. Man with gun shoots child and you side with the killer. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #46

Negative cpwm17 Jul 2013 #53

There is no reliable evidence that trayvon was ever on top of zimmerman bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #82

GZ received injuries to the back of his head from somewhere cpwm17 Jul 2013 #83

Those injuries were minor and could have been self inflicted. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #84

There are few if ever a time in your life when zeeland Jul 2013 #25

that's a load of shit. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #44

I think it sounds like GZ cpwm17 Jul 2013 #56

Is that based on your long-term experience being around George Zimmerman?? MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #59

GZ has a very subtle hispanic accent in the scream and when he talks cpwm17 Jul 2013 #61

Riiiiight. nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #64

Zimmerman: "...that doesn't even sound like me..." was NOT an errant statement. Zimmerman was defend uponit7771 Jul 2013 #74

People don't know their own voices very well cpwm17 Jul 2013 #75

Um, did you know that when zimmy first heard that recording, at the police station, Ecumenist Jul 2013 #77

Oh and TM's dad STRENUOUSLY disputed the police's statement that he told them it wasn't his son. Ecumenist Jul 2013 #78

Even if I didn't recognize the voice as my child's - and I crim son Jul 2013 #18

Wow that is the first time I've heard that ChangeUp106 Jul 2013 #23

I think it's very clearly Trayvon screaming Just Saying Jul 2013 #26

From the very first time I heard that 911 call, I thought it was a younger person's voice. Grammy23 Jul 2013 #29

Well according to a Zim fan here on DU Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #35

What I found interesting was at least two witnesses thought the screaming was a boy Quixote1818 Jul 2013 #38

That useless blob screamed like a boy, or so he says. tblue Jul 2013 #49

That is the sound of a scared little kid screaming. world wide wally Jul 2013 #47

The courage she showed, with cameras in her face tblue Jul 2013 #48

It was noted that one of the jurors shed tears listening to this. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #50

I have heard it but was wondering SoutherDem Jul 2013 #51

This is the only known recording: nyquil_man Jul 2013 #55

Thanks for that. The voice is certainly in the higher register. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #72

There was analysis done on the 911 call. nyquil_man Jul 2013 #79

Yes. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #63

The media is saying it was Zimmerman LukeFL Jul 2013 #58

I think Zimmerman is in the wrong all the way. Wash. state Desk Jet Jul 2013 #60

I don't think the FBI is a liar. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #65

That possibility NYC SKP Wash. state Desk Jet Jul 2013 #69

K & R malaise Jul 2013 #68

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #90

Horseshit. Robb Jul 2013 #92

Hope. LWolf Jul 2013 #93

And the Prosecution team was allowing that to go on like that. Quantess Jul 2013 #95

Or something. LWolf Jul 2013 #100

sorry you had to live it mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #97