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bushisanidiot

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80. It doesn't matter what people thought they saw

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:37 PM

Jul 2013

As far as who was on top or bottom. DNA evidence proves trayvon never touched zimmerman.
There was NO zimmerman DNA on the victims body.

There was NO DNA of zimmerman underneath the victims fingernails.

The victims back was wet and covered with grass.

The victims pant knees did not have stains on them that would have been consistent with zimmermans story. Any stains at all are very faint and likely occurred because zimmerman put
The victim face down after he murdered him.

Zimmerman would not have had cut at the top of his head if his story were true.
Injuries to zimmermans head would have been at the base of his head only
And he likely would have had a concusion from having his head slammed 30 times against the concrete. Zimmermans own doctor said his injuries were minor. This is not consistent with zimmermans story.

Zimmerman gave a clear, 90 degree shot into trayvons heart.
If trayvon was hitting him, it wouldnt have been such a clean and clear a
Shot.

Zimmerman and trayvons bodies would have been in the way and prevented zimmerman from pulling a gun from the back of his pants. Zimmerman as laying on his own gun according to his recorded testimony.

The obvious scenario is that zimmerman had his gun pulled when he was chasing his victim. Once trayvon confronted zimmerman or zimmerman confronted trayvon, zimmerman likely tried to apprehend the victim (because zimmerman thought his gun was his badge) which led to struggle which is why we heard trayvon screaming and trying to get away from the guy with the gun.

There is no DNA evidence of zimmerman on trayvon, because trayvon never touched zimmermans skin. My guess is that trayvon was facing zimmerman but probably trying to back away, probably a few feet away which is why it was such a direct shot to the heart. Zimmerman was probably worried about shooting him from farther away and missing. He wanted to make sure he could kill him with one bullet and he KNEW there were no witnesses.

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God Damn It! I just listened to the recording of Trayvon screaming "Help", then the gunshot. [View all] NYC_SKP Jul 2013 OP

I can't imagine there's anyone here with any interest in this case TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #1

Au contrar.... NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #4

it's horrendous TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #9

I just listened to it for the first time, because of this post. TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #10

You need a better imagination. crim son Jul 2013 #16

I just listened for the first time. PufPuf23 Jul 2013 #21

I actually hadn't listened to that tape before. pnwmom Jul 2013 #37

I have not listened to the recording or viewed photos. CottonBear Jul 2013 #52

I only just learned the time the murder happened. But I can't listen to tape or look at KittyWampus Jul 2013 #99

I've never heard it. If you don't like it, I imagine they don't have it kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #101

Jesus. That is a kid screaming. CurtEastPoint Jul 2013 #2

I have not heard it before and I have followed the news. CurtEastPoint Jul 2013 #3

Yes, he is. He's screaming his heart out for his very life. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #5

No wonder the defense doesn't want the jury to use their common sense. n/t chieftain Jul 2013 #6

Didn't others testify that was Zimmerman screaming? flvegan Jul 2013 #7

Testimony from witnesses about what they think they remember hearing is one thing. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #11

If they did, they were lying their asses off Hugabear Jul 2013 #12

an entire parade of unbelievable friends and family TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #13

yes, Zimmerman's mom testified that it was George screaming hfojvt Jul 2013 #20

I assure you that I'm neither. So what I'm reading is flvegan Jul 2013 #36

sure most people are going to deny hfojvt Jul 2013 #40

I get your point, but let me ask you this... DearAbby Jul 2013 #70

Your question undermines the case of the prosecution. flvegan Jul 2013 #87

I believe that scream came from a person who knew he had only seconds to live DearAbby Jul 2013 #88

And that is a fair and reasonable opinion to come to. flvegan Jul 2013 #91

Are you being sarcastic? merrily Jul 2013 #39

see my post above hfojvt Jul 2013 #42

I think Zimmerman's mom has the greater incentive. merrily Jul 2013 #45

I think they are all lying. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2013 #54

Someone winning a fight who saw a gun pointing at his heart might scream. merrily Jul 2013 #66

I don't think T reached for his gun. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2013 #73

It doesn't matter what people thought they saw bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #80

For me it was about the body language laundry_queen Jul 2013 #57

You have a valid point. It's all about body LukeFL Jul 2013 #62

I'm not sure - it was on CNN. nt laundry_queen Jul 2013 #86

I try to be objective, but, for my own child, I'd circle wagons all day long. merrily Jul 2013 #67

I don't think I would. laundry_queen Jul 2013 #85

We're talking life in prison or the death penalty, not an apology. merrily Jul 2013 #94

So what? laundry_queen Jul 2013 #96

His poor parents. UtahLib Jul 2013 #8

Is there any edited version with the phone conversation removed? HolyMoley Jul 2013 #14

Both mothers identified it as their childs voice - lynne Jul 2013 #15

Agreed Lurks Often Jul 2013 #89

After listening to the recording a number of times cpwm17 Jul 2013 #17

If it was George why would he stop screaming after the shot. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #19

why would he keep screaming hfojvt Jul 2013 #22

He still needs help, the police were called and he needed for them to find him. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #24

that's not an urgent need hfojvt Jul 2013 #30

Your argument makes sense cpwm17 Jul 2013 #76

Because Georgie boy said he didn't think he hit him. George is full of it, and a bigoted gun nut. Hoyt Jul 2013 #28

Good point. nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #32

but he also said that hfojvt Jul 2013 #33

Whoa, I missed that. If that is true, Zimmerman should get life where Papillon was imprisoned. Hoyt Jul 2013 #71

Exactly, Hoyt. Vox Moi Jul 2013 #34

A direct, 90 degree hit to the heart from close range and he thought he missed. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #81

I don't buy that argument cpwm17 Jul 2013 #27

GZ didn't think Trayvon was dead. moondust Jul 2013 #31

Who's more likely to stop screaming in the MIDDLE of the scream? Nevernose Jul 2013 #41

Insanity or denial. moondust Jul 2013 #43

That's my thinking, too. TroglodyteScholar Jul 2013 #98

You've bought into lies, pal. Man with gun shoots child and you side with the killer. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #46

Negative cpwm17 Jul 2013 #53

There is no reliable evidence that trayvon was ever on top of zimmerman bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #82

GZ received injuries to the back of his head from somewhere cpwm17 Jul 2013 #83

Those injuries were minor and could have been self inflicted. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #84

There are few if ever a time in your life when zeeland Jul 2013 #25

that's a load of shit. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #44

I think it sounds like GZ cpwm17 Jul 2013 #56

Is that based on your long-term experience being around George Zimmerman?? MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #59

GZ has a very subtle hispanic accent in the scream and when he talks cpwm17 Jul 2013 #61

Riiiiight. nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #64

Zimmerman: "...that doesn't even sound like me..." was NOT an errant statement. Zimmerman was defend uponit7771 Jul 2013 #74

People don't know their own voices very well cpwm17 Jul 2013 #75

Um, did you know that when zimmy first heard that recording, at the police station, Ecumenist Jul 2013 #77

Oh and TM's dad STRENUOUSLY disputed the police's statement that he told them it wasn't his son. Ecumenist Jul 2013 #78

Even if I didn't recognize the voice as my child's - and I crim son Jul 2013 #18

Wow that is the first time I've heard that ChangeUp106 Jul 2013 #23

I think it's very clearly Trayvon screaming Just Saying Jul 2013 #26

From the very first time I heard that 911 call, I thought it was a younger person's voice. Grammy23 Jul 2013 #29

Well according to a Zim fan here on DU Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #35

What I found interesting was at least two witnesses thought the screaming was a boy Quixote1818 Jul 2013 #38

That useless blob screamed like a boy, or so he says. tblue Jul 2013 #49

That is the sound of a scared little kid screaming. world wide wally Jul 2013 #47

The courage she showed, with cameras in her face tblue Jul 2013 #48

It was noted that one of the jurors shed tears listening to this. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #50

I have heard it but was wondering SoutherDem Jul 2013 #51

This is the only known recording: nyquil_man Jul 2013 #55

Thanks for that. The voice is certainly in the higher register. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #72

There was analysis done on the 911 call. nyquil_man Jul 2013 #79

Yes. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #63

The media is saying it was Zimmerman LukeFL Jul 2013 #58

I think Zimmerman is in the wrong all the way. Wash. state Desk Jet Jul 2013 #60

I don't think the FBI is a liar. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #65

That possibility NYC SKP Wash. state Desk Jet Jul 2013 #69

K & R malaise Jul 2013 #68

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #90

Horseshit. Robb Jul 2013 #92

Hope. LWolf Jul 2013 #93

And the Prosecution team was allowing that to go on like that. Quantess Jul 2013 #95

Or something. LWolf Jul 2013 #100

sorry you had to live it mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #97