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Gravitycollapse

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49. You have demonstrated a clear chain of unsound logic.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:26 PM
Jul 2013

First off, the assumption you make without evidence is that supporting the law defining a person as guilty or innocent means I support the consequences of such a decision. The second is your rather sophomoric understanding of the phrase "accept the outcome."

If
A. One supports a guilty individual being found guilty under the law in question
and
B. Guilt under the law should be subject to punishment as regulated by the law
then
C. One accepts that the guilty individual should be punished under the regulations of the law

Conclusion: If one supports a guilty individual being found guilty under the law, then one accepts that the guilty individual should be punished under the regulations of the law

Derived from previous conclusion

Statement: If one supports a guilty individual being found guilty under the law, then one accepts that the guilty individual should be punished under the regulations of the law
If
C. One accepts that a guilty person should be punished under the regulations of the law
and
D. The law defines punishment as life imprisonment
or
E. The law defines punishment as the death penalty
then
F. Acceptance that a guilty individual should be punished under the regulations of the law means that one accepts that a guilty person should be punished with either life imprisonment or death penalty.

Total conclusion: If one supports a guilty individual being found guilty under the law and one accepts that a guilty individual should be punished under the regulations of the law and the law defines punishment as either life imprisonment or the death penalty, then one who supports a guilty individual being found guilty under the law accepts that the guilty individual should be punished with either life imprisonment or the death penalty.

What you are attempting to say is that D does not exist and that E is the only punishment the law defines. That is simply not a valid conclusion based on the previous chain of premises and conclusions. Because the acceptance of C allows for either D or E, it is not possible to claim logically that I must support the punishment as defined by E.

I can support the ability of the legal system to discern between innocence and guilt while not accepting the full list of punishments offered if one is found guilty. That is a logically sound stance. Your attempt to dismantle that and redefine what I find acceptable or unacceptable is a clear case of purposeful manipulation.

You are playing games. And I'm not interested in such things. Especially not with someone who doesn't seem to understand basic logic.

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... Scurrilous Jul 2013 #1
that's not something that would happen, whatever the circumstances Spider Jerusalem Jul 2013 #2
If Bush wasn't charged, no way Obama should be charged. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #3
He should be tried under the regulations of the applicable laws. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #4
Execution or life in prison. Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #5
Then if he is convicted he should receive one of those sentences. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #6
That's all I wanted to know... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #8
Well, I don't support execution. So I guess that would leave a lesser punishment. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #10
It doesn't matter what you support... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #12
Oh My Fucking God Maximumnegro Jul 2013 #13
I don't support execution. So I'm not talking about it. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #14
Whether or not you support it is irrelevant. Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #17
Yeah actually no I'm not. I do not find execution to be an acceptable option. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #22
So, do you then not support finding someone guilty if the option is the death penalty? Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #26
Are you trying to play games with me? Either someone is guilty of a crime or they are not. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #40
And that's the point... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #43
You have demonstrated a clear chain of unsound logic. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #49
Not necessarily. . . Journeyman Jul 2013 #20
Would you? burnodo Jul 2013 #7
Me? Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #18
So it's all good then burnodo Jul 2013 #21
I never said that... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #24
Ok, fine burnodo Jul 2013 #31
It's been that way since America's founding... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #36
Will anyone be the first? burnodo Jul 2013 #39
regarding cornel west's comments arely staircase Jul 2013 #9
President Obama disidoro01 Jul 2013 #11
That's not how the legal system works. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #15
Are we not all equal before the law? whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #16
Theoretically, but not in practice... polichick Jul 2013 #29
Would you? whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #19
Na'. Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #23
Why not? whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #25
Why? Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #27
Why have war crime laws then? whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #28
Why pick now to start charging presidents? Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #30
I would have supported prosecution of several of those presidents n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #34
Several - but not all? Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #37
If it can proved they all committed crimes against humanity whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #38
What's so disturbing about it? Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #41
I know where you're trying to go with this little speed trap whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #45
Only if they also charge all of their own Warpy Jul 2013 #32
Cornel West is an over-the-top showboater. His pronouncement about this is crap. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #33
Let's go after the criminals who started the war first. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #35
If Obama is a train, would you support Mussolini making him run on time? NoPasaran Jul 2013 #42
^^ bobduca Jul 2013 #46
I've got everything I wanted from this thread... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #44
No, you have not. Enjoy my proof and next time consider your games a little better. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #50
This is the logical extension of supporting Ed Snowden wholeheartedly & without reservations. baldguy Jul 2013 #47
That's a big if. LWolf Jul 2013 #48
Only after Bush and crew SoutherDem Jul 2013 #51
I support all war criminals being charged. 99Forever Jul 2013 #52
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