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Lizzie Poppet

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79. Agree on all counts.

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 09:48 PM

Jul 2013

I'm a CCW permit holder, and usually carry when I'm out in public. I consider it my solemn responsibility to do what I can to avoid potential conflict. If I ever have to shoot another human being in self-defense, I need to not only be able to justify my actions to the criminal justice system, but I also have to be able to look at myself in the mirror when I get up in the morning. If I failed in my responsibility to avoid conflict while carrying a deadly weapon, I couldn't do that. That's more important than the legal issues to me, frankly.

Zimmerman didn't do that. Instead, he initiated a conflict that at some point became physical, and ended with a dead human being. I could care less in Martin swung first. If Zimmerman had behaved responsibly, none of this would have happened.

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How do those defending Zimmerman reconcile the fact that he never... [View all] slor Jul 2013 OP

Good question. Lucinda Jul 2013 #1

Good point. How about a "hey I'm neighborhood watch, I'm not going to JaneyVee Jul 2013 #2

You don't give yourself away to something you're hunting. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #3

+1,000 alittlelark Jul 2013 #4

+1 skeewee08 Jul 2013 #6

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Why did I have my flashlight on or why did Zimmerman have his flashlight on? Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #25

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You do realize you can use a flashlight discretely, right? Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #32

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Clearly he was not concealing himself very well as Martin knew he was being followed. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #54

+"infinity"!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #63

Undercover cops do that shit all the time. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #5

But he WASNT an undercover cop. n/t dorkzilla Jul 2013 #12

Maybe Trayvon thought he was. Who knows what was going through that kid's mind? LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #45

How about Trayvon thought he was a child molester? "Stranger Danger" training kicked in. nt dorkzilla Jul 2013 #50

I think he thought that Z was a cop or maybe he thought that LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #62

The picture of his body looked more like a SCARED CHILD. dorkzilla Jul 2013 #69

He was wondering why he was being jumped and who it was, LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #74

So, in other words, "you don't know shit". n/t dorkzilla Jul 2013 #77

Why is that in quotes? LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #80

You in post #70. n/t dorkzilla Jul 2013 #82

Okay, mystery explained. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #84

Well, maybe it's just me but he wasn't a cop, PERIOD. He's a WANNABE SERGEANT PORKCHOP. Ecumenist Jul 2013 #21

See above. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #46

I come from a BIG cop family. I am not anti-cop, but they ALL identify themselves. dorkzilla Jul 2013 #53

It isn't bullshit. They do often. I've been arrested by cops who LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #70

Yes, Jack Shit is my Irish Cousin. Don't tell me what I know. You don't know Jack shit either. dorkzilla Jul 2013 #73

"ALL identify themselves"... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #85

What does that have to do with a civilian stalking a minor? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #33

See above. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #47

Link to "above"? nt Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #56

Look above your post. You need a link for that? LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #76

On my phone, with a relative jin the hospital, so yep. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #86

Sorry, didn't know. You didn't really miss anything. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #87

Do you immediately shout your name and occupation when someone comes up out of the dark? Azathoth Jul 2013 #7

When you are acting in an "official" capacity, hellz yeah. dorkzilla Jul 2013 #9

He was walking on a public sidewalk talking to a 911 dispatcher Azathoth Jul 2013 #22

Without a 'scintilla of evidence"? That's GZ's entire version of the facts. n/t dorkzilla Jul 2013 #28

Well, therein lies the problem Azathoth Jul 2013 #34

So either way, the OP is wrong. Okay, gotcha. n/t dorkzilla Jul 2013 #35

Pretty much n/t Azathoth Jul 2013 #36

So you don't think a guy like this SHOULD have identified himself? dorkzilla Jul 2013 #41

Police officers are required to identify themselves when confronting an individual. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #29

GZ was just taking a little stroll, right? frylock Jul 2013 #64

Assuming you intended or anticipated coming face to face with someone, yes Azathoth Jul 2013 #81

that would require me to believe GZ's preposterous story though, wouldn't it? frylock Jul 2013 #83

Indeed n/t Azathoth Jul 2013 #88

I rarely follow 17 year olds around in the dark Just Saying Jul 2013 #18

No, but I am a chef... slor Jul 2013 #19

Someone comes up out of the dark? reusrename Jul 2013 #20

+1 n/t dorkzilla Jul 2013 #43

I don't have Jeantel's deposition and testimony in front of me Azathoth Jul 2013 #57

HER description is the one that's questionable? reusrename Jul 2013 #68

I'm not questioning her description because it doesn't line up with my imagination Azathoth Jul 2013 #78

Because he had a fire arm he had a HUGE responsibility to prevent a confrontation Quixote1818 Jul 2013 #8

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That's not what was on his mind, else he would have answered the Martin kid. reusrename Jul 2013 #30

And IMO... ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #38

Agree on all counts. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #79

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What aggressive remark? bravenak Jul 2013 #71

What was said is still irrilevent as far as the court is concerned. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #11

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And again, I think its possible zimmerman had a chance to escape, and possible he did not Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #17

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Bullshit. Based on the EVIDENCE, not GZ's ever-changing testimony, he was STALKING TM. dorkzilla Jul 2013 #16

Doesn't matter.. Dwayne Hicks Jul 2013 #23

Zimmerman got out of his car when asked which way Martin was going. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #65

No, it's not about the first punch. Just Saying Jul 2013 #31

If Treyvon was on top punching him, then Zimmerman could have been worried about great bodily harm. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #37

So what Dwayne Hicks Jul 2013 #40

Maybe Zimmerman should have worried about that before he got out of the vehicle. ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #42

In your opinion. Just Saying Jul 2013 #52

That's ridiculous. Shopping for Skittles is not a felony upon Zimmerman. reusrename Jul 2013 #39

Trayvon had the right to defend HIMself too, and you don't get to shoot someone with whom RBInMaine Jul 2013 #49

Defend? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #26

I've been part of neighborhood watches and ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #48

EXACTLY ... if he had identified himself this whole mostly likely Raine Jul 2013 #51

They only come in two flavors. Straight up racist assholes, and shit stirring assholes. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #55

don't forget shit-stirring racist assholes frylock Jul 2013 #72

Oh crap, how could I have forgotten the combo plate? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #75

They don't care about him. bravenak Jul 2013 #58

Because in his head and heart Trayvon was a "fucking punk asshole up to no good". RBInMaine Jul 2013 #59

They don't care, he didn't have to do either of those things, they feel Trayvon was NotThisTime Jul 2013 #60

They don't care. They'll still defend him. His story is worth more than Trayvon's. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #61

That would have been the first thing I said after being asked magellan Jul 2013 #66

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