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20. That's not true. The jurors were able to be objective, something that many people are not

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:46 PM

Jul 2013

regarding this case.

I was shocked at the posters in this forum who declared GZ guilty without even knowing some of the basic evidence. They declared GZ racist...when it was TM who used racial epithets. You and others might disagree with that...but the jurors heard the fact that TM called GZ racial epithets, but GZ, even when cussing and unaware he was being recorded, never once used a racial epithet regarding TM. And so on.

It was proven that TM hit GZ first. Posters will still argue about that. But the prosecutor more or less conceded the defense's version of how the confrontation happened.

All the jurors had to decide, really, was whether TM hitting on GZ was enough for GZ to fear great bodily harm, so that he could shoot TM. I don't know that I would've ended up deciding that, but I can see how some might. It's not a slam dunk.

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Zimmerman is a contemptible person, but the jury got it right. [View all] Nye Bevan Jul 2013 OP

Yes, Zimmerman is a douchebag... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #1

Um, your vigilante hero stalked a guy around an apartment complex KamaAina Jul 2013 #2

He's far from being my "hero". (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #5

That's how I would have called it derby378 Jul 2013 #12

Discussed here Shrek Jul 2013 #16

+1. it's a travesty. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #45

Your post is uncivil. Jim Lane Jul 2013 #66

Your post is just wrong. Wrong in every way. cali Jul 2013 #84

Bull Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #3

NO THEY DIDN'T ! olddots Jul 2013 #4

The evidence of guilt was there for all to see no matter how inept the prosecution DevonRex Jul 2013 #6

That's not true. The jurors were able to be objective, something that many people are not Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #20

My comment stands as is. nt DevonRex Jul 2013 #24

of course backwoodsbob Jul 2013 #68

And you'd let that racist murderer go free, just like this jury did. nt DevonRex Jul 2013 #73

Yeah, how dare Trayvon call the psychotic stalker who would in minutes kill him EOTE Jul 2013 #36

I second your rant. yardwork Jul 2013 #90

BINGO! Little Star Jul 2013 #33

Oh, you're gonna get flamed BIG time for this. flvegan Jul 2013 #7

I hope to hear from the jury because I want to hear what I didn't hear. chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #8

That's absurd. Where's the PROOF Zimmerman acted in self defense? johnnyrocket Jul 2013 #9

According to the law, none is needed Shrek Jul 2013 #13

And prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #17

So the law is: go shoot up a black kid at will. Claim self defense. Walk. johnnyrocket Jul 2013 #22

with that law, the state can expect a lot of killings treestar Jul 2013 #53

That's not where the burden of proof lay. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #19

Bullshit! n/t Chan790 Jul 2013 #10

If the jury went by the law OwnedByCats Jul 2013 #11

Proof: dead kid at the hand of Zimmerman. johnnyrocket Jul 2013 #25

Dead kid at the hands of Casey Anthony OwnedByCats Jul 2013 #31

LOL, you really decided to post this tonight? Wow. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #14

As opposed to yesterday? (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #18

Horseshit. 99Forever Jul 2013 #15

Yeah, just like the "jury" in Simi Valley "got it right" David Zephyr Jul 2013 #21

You won't get flamed from me as you're right - lynne Jul 2013 #23

Wow, you're saying they APPEALED to the JURY'S EMOTIONS?!?!? hatrack Jul 2013 #26

the prosecution did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman committed a crime rollin74 Jul 2013 #27

Go open your champagne and put your mouse down for the night. Ilsa Jul 2013 #28

The last thing I would do is celebrate anything to do with this tragedy. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #29

not tonight kpete Jul 2013 #30

He may be not guilty but his hands are covered in blood. ryan_cats Jul 2013 #32

This was a simple case of bumbling by the prosecutors golfguru Jul 2013 #34

Fuck the jury. Apophis Jul 2013 #35

Bullshit. mzmolly Jul 2013 #37

He is guilty....He should have kept his fat butt in his truck. Punkingal Jul 2013 #38

Are you implying it is against the law to get out of your truck? golfguru Jul 2013 #39

no, it's against the law to stalk someone so you can shoot them. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #46

The charge against GZ was not stalking golfguru Jul 2013 #51

it should have been one of the charges. the pedophile got off. maybe he'll get jail for molesting HiPointDem Jul 2013 #54

I agree, GZ could have been found guilty for stalking against golfguru Jul 2013 #55

Yes I am.. Punkingal Jul 2013 #47

The charge was not stalking, it was 2nd degree murder golfguru Jul 2013 #52

all the heat-packers rejoice... dionysus Jul 2013 #40

I am actually totally pro-gun control. (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #41

my sincere apologies then. i misunderstood. dionysus Jul 2013 #42

No problem. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #43

ok, we're on the same page then. dionysus Jul 2013 #44

The President of the United States is STILL a black man. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2013 #48

Bit of a non-sequitur there. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #50

America is full of Zimmermans mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #49

In cities like Chicago 500 blacks are murdered every year golfguru Jul 2013 #56

That is not true!!!!! mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #61

My point is where is the outrage over 500 murders in Chicago? golfguru Jul 2013 #63

There is outrage. mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #64

right tiny elvis Jul 2013 #57

What did the prosecution have to prove? sadbear Jul 2013 #58

From the jury instructions: Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #59

I supposed with no reliable witnesses... sadbear Jul 2013 #60

The only injury Trayvon Martin had was his knuckles golfguru Jul 2013 #67

I suppose lingering is punishable by death, huh? sadbear Jul 2013 #70

Only if you try to bash someone's head on to concrete. n/t golfguru Jul 2013 #72

Doesn't look like he was trying very hard. sadbear Jul 2013 #75

AT the instant when your head is being bashed onto concrete, golfguru Jul 2013 #76

Bullshit. sadbear Jul 2013 #78

Try it on your head before using rude adjectives. golfguru Jul 2013 #89

Fuck that shit. sadbear Jul 2013 #91

I still see an obvious case of murder -- manslaughter at the least. Sparkly Jul 2013 #88

"Contemptible"?.. zimmerman is a murderous stalking asshole. Cha Jul 2013 #62

I am at a loss at your Op. The jury got it all wrong. akbacchus_BC Jul 2013 #65

A few DUers are doing a happy dance after the verdict Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #69

Nobody should be doing a "happy dance" over this horrible tragedy. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #71

Well, you seem pretty pleased with the outcome Scootaloo Jul 2013 #81

Stating that the jury correctly followed their instructions is not the same as being "pleased". Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #82

I wonder why you need to state it though? Scootaloo Jul 2013 #85

If you think I'm a "smug asshole", find my posts offensive, and feel like I talk down to people... Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #86

There is nothing happy about this case! golfguru Jul 2013 #74

Blame the law, not the jury. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #77

Zimmerman is an obvious liar with no credibilty... unapatriciated Jul 2013 #79

Did you find Jonathan Good to be a credible witness? Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #87

I didn't follow the trial matt819 Jul 2013 #80

I said pretty much from the beginning, a plea-bargain with some jail time would probably have been Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #83

I think you can disagree with the verdict davidpdx Jul 2013 #92