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kdmorris

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31. This is more about women changing their name when married (and immigrants) than FL law
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:16 AM
Jul 2013

I have to also provide my birth certificate, social security card AND marriage certificate to obtain a United States passport or any other form of official Identification. I keep all that documentation in a safe place BUT I was born in Virginia, I'm Caucasian and both of my marriages occurred to American men on American soil.

My husband and I moved to Florida in 1998 and we went together to get Florida driver's licenses. He had to bring a utility bill/deed (proof of address) and his birth certificate/Social Security Card. In 1998, I had to bring the exact same thing, EXCEPT I also needed to bring my marriage certificate to show that the name on my birth certificate was really mine. Because I took back my maiden name upon my divorce from my first husband, that is all the proof I've ever needed because the marriage certificate has the name from my birth certificate on it.

I would have run into the same issue in 1998 that I run into today if I had married my husband under my first married name. No one just takes your word for it if you say that the Jane Doe on the birth certificate is the Jane Black on the marriage certificate to John Smith. You need to prove it.

We had to get our licenses renewed under the "current laws" in Florida and I had to bring exactly the same documentation that I did in 1998. Birth certificate, proof of address, social security card and marriage certificate. In both 1998 and post-2010 laws, I would have needed my first marriage license and divorce decree if I had not changed my name back. The difference is that I would have to go in person to renew my license (normally, you just renew it online) so that I could get a new picture taken.

Since women have been changing their names forever in America on marriage, this has been an extra piece of documentation we've had to bring and I find it hard to believe that a 70 year old White American woman would not have her marriage certificate to prove that her married name is really her name.

This isn't a war on women - it's a war on immigrants. Immigrants are the ones that will end up having a hard time getting all this documentation from their home countries (especially the large Haitian community down here - fires, earthquakes, riots, mudslides, hurricanes, etc have caused much of this documentation to be destroyed). This law was set up to make sure that the least number of immigrants possible can get a driver's license (since "illegal" immigrants are no longer permitted to get driver's licenses in Florida).

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I don't think this will pass a Fourteenth Amendment challenge. Baitball Blogger Jul 2013 #33
Man, I've been through this BainsBane Jul 2013 #4
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What? BainsBane Jul 2013 #10
To keep women from escaping abusive RW men meow2u3 Jul 2013 #19
Teach your daughters BainsBane Jul 2013 #23
edited BainsBane Jul 2013 #21
While this is totally absurd, SheilaT Jul 2013 #6
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Good example there, SheilaT Jul 2013 #16
Our daughter is getting married next month. phylny Jul 2013 #25
I told my daughter that she will not change her name. all american girl Jul 2013 #28
Virginia here, too. phylny Jul 2013 #37
Funny thing is, I hyphened my name to make it easier. all american girl Jul 2013 #38
I had been saving up some money to take the kids to Disney World. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #7
There's always Disneyland in CA. PADemD Jul 2013 #20
I'm in WA state so CA would be much closer and less expensive. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #24
Because women tend to vote for Democrats. That's why... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #9
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Yep! It's all by design! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #14
I smell a 19th Amendment suit meow2u3 Jul 2013 #22
So... FL is denying ID to women? And requires ID to vote? How is this not a civil rights violation? politicat Jul 2013 #15
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It may have slipped by them. politicat Jul 2013 #26
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I'm that person Ageless Hippie May 2014 #48
Good point. Welcome to DU! nt valerief May 2014 #49
The pre-14th amendment view of governance. No citizenship unless you are white, male, etc. freshwest Jul 2013 #18
This is not really a "war against women", per se. djean111 Jul 2013 #27
This is more about women changing their name when married (and immigrants) than FL law kdmorris Jul 2013 #31
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It's not just an invasion of women's privacy kdmorris Jul 2013 #47
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Yes, they scanned them all for my husband too kdmorris Jul 2013 #45
The only answer to that would be for a woman to avebury Jul 2013 #32
A woman can keep her name for business and legal purposes, and use her husband's name socially FarCenter Jul 2013 #34
My boss kept her maiden name and is known both professionally and avebury Jul 2013 #35
Lots of brides are all keen to change their DL, Passport, bank accounts, etc to husband's name. FarCenter Jul 2013 #36
Changing your name is always a hassle, wherever you live. MineralMan Jul 2013 #41
NOT just Florida. SSA as well Glitterati Jul 2013 #42
This is one more way to chip at the number of voting Democrats, pnwmom Jul 2013 #43
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Boycott Florida??? LittleBlue Jul 2013 #46
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