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FBaggins

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76. Nope.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:31 AM
Jul 2013

Hearsay is a claim on my part (in this case) that someone else said something (get it? "hear"... "say" ?). And not all hearsay is inadmissible as evidence... let along in debate. But that again is another discussion. Obviously, anything GZ said on tape can't be hearsay. GZ's statements to police re: what TM said to him are hearsay (despite being recorded) and could not be presented as evidence.

it was a statement that Zimmerman made with no corroboration

Yep. It's what he "reported" to 911. It's the only evidence apart from the call to the girlfriend as to what he was doing at the time. As a point of reference, the GF's claims re: what TM said are hearsay, but are not always inadmissible (since the speaker is dead).

I have seen no one on DU make that claim, so that's an irrelevant straw man.

Then you haven't paid attention... but again, that's irrelevant.

Instead, it appears that Zimmerman chose to initiate a confrontation with a person who had every right to be at that location, even though Zimmerman was instructed not to confront him.

Close. It appears that he intended to initial a confrontation with someone who may or may not have had a right to be doing what he was doing (which doesn't give GZ the right to accost him), and GZ was not "instructed not to confront him"... he was told "we don't need you to do that" when he replied that he had gotten out of the car.

Why are you so motivated to establish Martin's culpability in this?

If the situation weren't so tragic, it would be hilarious that you think that's what I'm doing. As I've said multiple times... you don't need to be a good guy to be the victim of a crime. I don't need to assume that TM was a little angel who never harmed a fly in order to say that GZ was acting as a vigilante. For some reason... others feel a need to paint him as such in order to say that GZ was out of line.

He doesn't strike me as a role model for other kids... anything but. And I have no faith that he was just minding his own business. But none of that means that GZ was justified in his actions.

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Zimbo should at least have been wearing his badge Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #1
he should carve it in his forehead like charles manson HiPointDem Jul 2013 #2
Perhaps he could be branded with an M instead Orrex Jul 2013 #11
How exactly is it that you know that's what he was doing? FBaggins Jul 2013 #3
Why do we need to know that? Hissyspit Jul 2013 #7
We don't FBaggins Jul 2013 #15
Until we know otherwise (which apparently we won't ever) Hissyspit Jul 2013 #19
Both TM and GZ were and are innocent until proven guilty. There is a saying.... Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #31
That has nothing to do with what I was arguing with the poster about. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #34
Good answer, Honeycombe 7962 Jul 2013 #56
Martin is dead, he is not innocent or guilty. Rex Jul 2013 #85
Apparently it means something new FBaggins Jul 2013 #33
"For all we know... he was up to something." Hissyspit Jul 2013 #35
Exactly FBaggins Jul 2013 #39
Who said anything about the trial? Hissyspit Jul 2013 #41
You did FBaggins Jul 2013 #50
No, it also applies in people's BRAINS. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #51
Nope FBaggins Jul 2013 #53
Well, we do know what was going on at and immediately before the shooting, don't we? Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #42
All I see is evidence of a kid trying to defend himself and failing... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #48
What? Hissyspit Jul 2013 #49
Did he approach Zimmerman's truck? Did he?? TNNurse Jul 2013 #9
YES!! Punkingal Jul 2013 #28
Now the streets of Florida are safe from Skittles spills. God bless America! world wide wally Jul 2013 #37
This is what I'd been thinking too, TNNurse mike dub Jul 2013 #58
What do you think he was doing? Orrex Jul 2013 #12
Obviously I have no idea FBaggins Jul 2013 #16
Why would you have been suspicious? Orrex Jul 2013 #20
Because they had several recent breakins FBaggins Jul 2013 #29
So even though you say you "obviously" have no idea what he was doing... Orrex Jul 2013 #32
Again... does the word mean something new today? FBaggins Jul 2013 #38
It means that you're arguing in favor of profiling Orrex Jul 2013 #46
Nope FBaggins Jul 2013 #52
I didn't mention his race either. Orrex Jul 2013 #57
Again... Nope FBaggins Jul 2013 #62
Reported by whom? Zimmerman? Sorry, but that's hearsay Orrex Jul 2013 #64
Well... no. That word means something too. FBaggins Jul 2013 #74
Hearsay is unverified information Orrex Jul 2013 #75
Nope. FBaggins Jul 2013 #76
Nope Orrex Jul 2013 #79
Reply FBaggins Jul 2013 #80
Hmm... Orrex Jul 2013 #81
So why wouldn't Trayvon not be concerned that EC Jul 2013 #36
Who says he wasn't? FBaggins Jul 2013 #45
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #44
For your post to make sense, Zimmerman would have had to know everybody that lived in the ET Awful Jul 2013 #54
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #59
Please, tell me how Martin would have known that Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch arcane1 Jul 2013 #70
Can you explain how he did not fit the demographics, polly7 Jul 2013 #72
There are white people in Englewood all the time and no one follows them Chisox08 Jul 2013 #65
You have no idea what he was doing yet you would have been suspicious. City Lights Jul 2013 #21
Is the word new to you? FBaggins Jul 2013 #30
Why would you have been suspicious? n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #26
He was doing what almost EVERYONE these days, does.. SoCalDem Jul 2013 #82
oh, 'ignore' is here. just go the hell away. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #4
Childish FBaggins Jul 2013 #5
Yes you are. 99Forever Jul 2013 #17
"I know you are but what am I?" FBaggins Jul 2013 #22
At precisely your level. 99Forever Jul 2013 #25
Only in America does a dead black boy have to defend himself in his own murder trial n/t Blackford Jul 2013 #6
+1 gollygee Jul 2013 #10
+10 RC Jul 2013 #67
and this jury gave Trayvon Martin the death penalty KurtNYC Jul 2013 #83
Remember to teach the kids! RandiFan1290 Jul 2013 #8
I hope you don't mind. cali Jul 2013 #13
Welcome to the new age Jim Crow fasttense Jul 2013 #14
Thats not really a large difference, 14% 7962 Jul 2013 #61
good article, except that gz was NOT a neighborhood watch captain. niyad Jul 2013 #47
New threat? invrabbit Jul 2013 #18
It appears so, doesn't it? City Lights Jul 2013 #24
I live in a neighborhood full of kids like Trayvon Siwsan Jul 2013 #23
Should have been a manslaughter conviction Joey Liberal Jul 2013 #27
White society implicitly believes... Deep13 Jul 2013 #40
Oh horse poop! All of "White society?" nt Duckwraps Jul 2013 #43
Yes. Deep13 Jul 2013 #60
More blacks are in jail because of stupid, worthless drug laws, IMO. 7962 Jul 2013 #63
+1000 nt Duckwraps Jul 2013 #68
I don't know that those figures are true, even if you did get them from FBI. Deep13 Jul 2013 #69
It is very hard to get a job with a prison record 7962 Jul 2013 #77
Please don't hang your own prejudicial guilt on other people you don't even know. nt Duckwraps Jul 2013 #66
I grew up thinking MLK was about the greatest person who had ever lived. Deep13 Jul 2013 #71
Yes I completly understand. Still, please don't project your feelings onto others though, Duckwraps Jul 2013 #78
If I listened to you... Deep13 Jul 2013 #84
K & R ctsnowman Jul 2013 #55
I know Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #73
Perhaps the most EXTREME form of tblue37 Jul 2013 #86
There's a relentless propaganda machine at work over this. ananda Jul 2013 #87
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