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ewagner

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52. I've posted this before....but I think it bears repeating:

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:50 AM

Jul 2013

When I researched the Florida Law I found that...

The plea of Self-defense requires that the Defense prove every element of self-defense by a preponderance of evidence, a low standard of proof...

on the other hand,

To counter the defense, the prosecution must disprove the claim beyond a reasonable doubt....meaning it the the highest level of proof required.

I posted here on the day of the Prosecution's closing argument that the presentation of their case was inept. They failed miserably to attack, point by point, the evidence that the defense presented and allowed them to present and push (through the animanted reinactiment) a plausible theory that they never even bothered to dispute.

In a pure legal sense, the jury acted properly.

Was it justice? In my opinion no. No it was not

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Hay 6 idiots in Florida! Thanks a big hefty freakin' load! [View all] MarianJack Jul 2013 OP

Idiots are people who refuse to understand "beyond a reasonable doubt". pipoman Jul 2013 #1

People who try to defend what is unreasonable as "reasonable" are full of shit. MH1 Jul 2013 #21

You should have flown to Florida and testified joeglow3 Jul 2013 #35

They all had a vested intrest. They were paid! notadmblnd Jul 2013 #76

Wow. You really believe that, don't you? joeglow3 Jul 2013 #95

2 legal analysts on CNN are convinced they threw the case laundry_queen Jul 2013 #111

The expert witnesses for the defense were paid. notadmblnd Jul 2013 #121

I've posted this before....but I think it bears repeating: ewagner Jul 2013 #52

you would have to believe Zimmerman's story Skittles Jul 2013 #96

I know....but... ewagner Jul 2013 #100

just watching Zimmerman in that tape Skittles Jul 2013 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author ewagner Jul 2013 #116

You did a bad job of researching Florida law. onenote Jul 2013 #104

That's what I thought it implied but ewagner Jul 2013 #117

The jury found reasonable doubt and aquitted Roy Bryant and JW Milam etherealtruth Jul 2013 #29

actually they knew Bryant and Milam did the crime, they just didn't think white men should be JI7 Jul 2013 #99

A reasonable person should now fear for their life if they see Zimmerman. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #70

The fact is there was reasonable doubt in this case. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #2

ALEC and the Republican Party MNBrewer Jul 2013 #3

Only because 6 idiots chose to allow the defense to put the victim on trial. MarianJack Jul 2013 #4

The jury doesn't decide what is said in the court room. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #5

The jury can decide what is and isn't horse manure,... MarianJack Jul 2013 #7

Someone has lost their objectivity joeglow3 Jul 2013 #39

most people (on either side) ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #56

Please enlighten me on exactly HOW I should be objective... MarianJack Jul 2013 #89

You shitty assumption only has water if you are not objective joeglow3 Jul 2013 #98

My "shitty" assumption was... MarianJack Jul 2013 #113

BTW, before you take your well deserved place on my ignore list, a few points. MarianJack Jul 2013 #124

It shouldn't matter who threw the first punch. EOTE Jul 2013 #11

Have you never seen a fight joeglow3 Jul 2013 #41

You are utterly clueless EOTE Jul 2013 #42

For a lot of Zimmerman apologists marions ghost Jul 2013 #114

"reasonable" is subjective handmade34 Jul 2013 #9

I'm sorry but I do think this jury got it wrong and I do think they hold Little Star Jul 2013 #10

don't be sorry. I agree with you completely. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #61

I'm not a lawyer, but I thought that I might go to law school rusty fender Jul 2013 #88

Jury instructions state the law. Period. onenote Jul 2013 #105

Really? rusty fender Jul 2013 #118

It was withheld because the prosecution offered no evidence that Zimmerman engaged in any action onenote Jul 2013 #119

You can blame the cops who f'ed up the evidence and failed to treat the area as a crime Dustlawyer Jul 2013 #23

I'll agree with that. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #25

Zimmerman to me is a time bomb ticking. I think his life like OJ's is going to be roguevalley Jul 2013 #47

I think you're correct here, roguevalley. His "sentence" as it were - is having to return to calimary Jul 2013 #59

I think so too davidpdx Jul 2013 #110

Reasonable doubt OF WHAT? Sparkly Jul 2013 #91

Bullshit. kcr Jul 2013 #102

I'd never heard of a 6 person jury, on a criminal case. Do other states do that, too? Siwsan Jul 2013 #6

I've heard of it for civil, yes...criminal, no. MarianJack Jul 2013 #8

Sad irony: On another thread they said only 6 because "not a death penalty case". MH1 Jul 2013 #22

This is the 2nd high profile Florida case to end in a miscarriage of justice, IMHO Siwsan Jul 2013 #24

May those 6 idiots never... 99Forever Jul 2013 #12

+1000 GoneFishin Jul 2013 #15

Those six women did exactly what they were suppose to do. newcriminal Jul 2013 #16

Bullshit. 99Forever Jul 2013 #17

You are one of the few on this thread that "Get it" The other ones...not so much. BlueJazz Jul 2013 #27

Trayvon Martin was 'lynched' by a self-appointed vigilante. (I put 'lynched' in HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #32

+1 Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #120

It was not their fault. Beacool Jul 2013 #31

Yes, it IS "their fault." 99Forever Jul 2013 #43

No, the prosecutor's let this man walk premium Jul 2013 #66

What part of... 99Forever Jul 2013 #73

Number 1, premium Jul 2013 #75

Then change the law mythology Jul 2013 #109

Ahhh... way kewl! 99Forever Jul 2013 #123

No such thing as "deliberate manslaughter". GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #115

WTF? 99Forever Jul 2013 #122

No it's no longer a murder 2 case. Mr. David Jul 2013 #92

That will never happen whopis01 Jul 2013 #106

While we may never hear from them.... BronxBoy Jul 2013 #13

And the prosecutors. Beacool Jul 2013 #33

Yes they did... BronxBoy Jul 2013 #51

Agreed... ewagner Jul 2013 #53

Agreed. It's beyond a reasonable doubt GZ had a gun and a 2-ton car, TM did not. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #14

Too much beyond a reasonable doubt for this verdict. MarianJack Jul 2013 #20

That and a criminally inept prosecutor bobduca Jul 2013 #60

Bravo! Carolina Jul 2013 #18

I'm white and my wife is Puerto Rican, but... MarianJack Jul 2013 #19

I thought you said your son was black? B2G Jul 2013 #46

The are black Puerto Ricans too. Beacool Jul 2013 #64

He is black. MarianJack Jul 2013 #90

Thought might be the case. I'm adopted too. B2G Jul 2013 #93

No, the idiots in FL were the prosecutors who overcharged Zimmerman. Beacool Jul 2013 #26

Or they just threw the case. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #28

Either that or the prosecution is unskilled and unintelligent etherealtruth Jul 2013 #30

Yes. I'm not from Florida truebluegreen Jul 2013 #34

What ever the reason etherealtruth Jul 2013 #36

Amen. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #40

I doubt it. Beacool Jul 2013 #37

Yes. yes etherealtruth Jul 2013 #44

Don't be silly. Beacool Jul 2013 #65

I apologize, I did confuse you with another poster that feels Z did nothing wrong etherealtruth Jul 2013 #74

That's OK. Beacool Jul 2013 #84

I wonder if this is also one of the results of the damned sequester. calimary Jul 2013 #62

You have to wonder, don't you? ewagner Jul 2013 #57

yep backwoodsbob Jul 2013 #77

That's my opinion too. nt Beacool Jul 2013 #85

Six more that now have the blood of this dead child on their hands. locdlib Jul 2013 #38

Bullshit. premium Jul 2013 #67

Oh FFS... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #107

Righteous rant. K&R Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #45

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #48

Florida has now passed AZ as the sickest, most retrograde state....n/t radhika Jul 2013 #49

Don't forget Texass! Auntie Bush Jul 2013 #97

While I don't like the Verdict, I understand it from Dustlawyer Jul 2013 #50

Being the mother of a child who is "different" is incredibly hard. If my child's skin were darker, 1monster Jul 2013 #54

Thanks for this post. ananda Jul 2013 #55

Here's something I would love those 6 racist morons to read (if they can read that is): NealK Jul 2013 #58

Do you know what college he was going to attend? nt hack89 Jul 2013 #63

Oh my, a Zimmerman appologist. NealK Jul 2013 #68

You just posted that he received a full ride to college hack89 Jul 2013 #72

I didn't make that banner and had forgotten this line, so sue me. NealK Jul 2013 #78

ok. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #79

Links? wercal Jul 2013 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author NealK Jul 2013 #82

Well which one is it? wercal Jul 2013 #83

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #86

I guess I'm an idiot then wercal Jul 2013 #87

That's six Paula Deens, who made a jury straight out of To Kill A Mockingbird. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #69

The 'idiots in Florida': Scurrilous Jul 2013 #71

Kicked & Recommended In_The_Wind Jul 2013 #81

You, sir, imo, have shown much restraint in not calling these "6 (asses) idiots" what you really indepat Jul 2013 #94

It's not just the 6 idiots in FL Auntie Bush Jul 2013 #101

But the judge told us that 2 + 2 = 3. GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #108

Excellent OP, Jack/MarionJack! Cha Jul 2013 #112

Up until the verdict Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #125