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In reply to the discussion: Snowden Is No Traitor. What He EXPOSED Is What's TREASON. [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)197. Absolute Pawns.
Monitor, Program, Command and Control.
Easier to do with wall-to-wall surveillance. Take one promising Target...
Was Obama One of the NSA's Spying Targets in 2004?
Aubrey Bloomfield, Policymic
Did the National Security Agency (NSA) spy on Barack Obama back in 2004? Former intelligence analyst Russ Tice, who left the NSA in 2005, claimed in a podcast on "The Boiling Frogs Show" on Wednesday that under the Bush administration the agency was ordered to spy on high-ranking military leaders, members of Congress, judges, and a certain then-Senate candidate from Illinois. Tice was one of the sources of this New York Times report in 2005 that revealed the warrantless wiretapping program being run by the NSA under Bush. While Bush was forced to admit that a small number of Americans were targeted by the program, Tice has always maintained that the net was cast far wider.
Following Edward Snowden's recent revelations about the NSA's surveillance programs, Obama defended the practice but also said that he sympathized with people's concerns about the extent of the surveillance because he would probably be "pretty high" on a list of possible NSA targets. While it is one thing for Obama to say that as the president under whom the programs are operating, given that he was strongly critical of Bush's surveillance policies while campaigning for president he would probably would have taken a much dimmer view of being an NSA target back in 2004.
Tice, who worked as an intelligence analyst in various government agencies for 20 years, argues that the NSA has "turned themselves into a rogue agency that has J Edgar Hoover capabilities at a monstrous scale on steroids." He claims that while he was working for the NSA it was carrying out surveillance on a laundry list of American targets including high ranking military leaders, members of Congress (especially on the Intelligence, Armed Services, and Judicial committees), lawyers and law firms, judges (including a sitting U.S. Supreme Court judge and two former FISA court judges), people who worked for the White House, U.S. companies doing business overseas, anti-war activists, and NGOs such as the Red Cross. Tice said in the interview, "I know this because I had my hands literally on the paperwork for these sort of things."
SOURCE w links...
http://www.policymic.com/mobile/articles/50421/nsa-surveillance-scandal-former-whistleblower-russ-tice-alleges-that-nsa-spied-on-obama-in-2004
All of a sudden, certain sudden reversals in policy from stayed position seem sensible. While it's no proof, as the President is the only one who knows why, NSA data collection of politicians' private communication does infer the application of undue pressure, a form of friendly persuasion or blackmail of obvious benefit to those "in" on the secret.
blm, the largest wealth ever amassed in human history has occurred over the past 42 years. Corporate profits are at an all time highs. Going from memory, a mere 400 individuals have a greater combined net worth than 230 million Americans. Yet, after five years, the President won't propose a budget thay requires the wealthy to pay their fair share, let alone propose policies to rebuild the nation, let alone reshape the economy or protect the environment. Ask yourself, "Why?"
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JFK mentioned 'prosperity and peace' in his 1963 State of the Union address...
Octafish
Jul 2013
#205
Tell that to most of the world who are up in arms about it. It was new to them.
Mojorabbit
Jul 2013
#4
That's right, he "stole intel and ran." Never mind the wholesale domestic spying part. Right?
PSPS
Jul 2013
#7
it's a shame, dems backing extended surveillance on citizens. smh. all in the name of the party...
allin99
Jul 2013
#203
Great To See The Blatant Acceptance Of Mass US Surveillance And The Desecration of The 4th Amendment
cantbeserious
Jul 2013
#13
'Snowden is what the Government gets for failing to provide working whistleblowing pathways
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#45
Yeah, I said fuck that shit and said what I had to say the way I wanted to say it.
DevonRex
Jul 2013
#95
Yeah... I thought it was too rude, like the things you said up-thread to that other poster.
Marr
Jul 2013
#209
When i said explain your post now? or when i called snowden a lying motherfucker?
DevonRex
Jul 2013
#210
Manning is the reason for Snowden. Not a good idea to bring up Manning in this conversation.
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#48
Sabrina, Snowden will be lucky not to wind up in a gulag or worse in Russia. nt
DevonRex
Jul 2013
#58
Snowden did make YOU "aware of anything that we didnt know was already happening" because you have
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#149
Oh, yes. By all means, let's "arrest Snowden" and that will make domestic spying OK! Yeah!
PSPS
Jul 2013
#5
There is evidence that Snowden committed crimes and he has publically admitted it.
Tx4obama
Jul 2013
#8
you claim the nsa needs to collect massive amounts of meta-data to prevent such events..
frylock
Jul 2013
#135
It is not an opinion on the collection of data by the NSA, they obtained the warrants
Thinkingabout
Jul 2013
#36
Great To See THe Blatant Disregard Of US Malfeasance And The Desecration Of The Constitution
cantbeserious
Jul 2013
#14
He did not bring harm to our country. Our country benefits from knowing the information
totodeinhere
Jul 2013
#49
I agree...+1. What some don't understand is that in the U.S. our allegiance is to
snappyturtle
Jul 2013
#90
The actions of Snowden is unconscionable. When you spy and lie and this seems to fit his
Thinkingabout
Jul 2013
#42
Secret Government is an issue that cuts across ideological, party and class lines like nothing else.
Octafish
Jul 2013
#204
Given how primed the tea party is for Snowden's actions, there is nothing I admire about him.
SleeplessinSoCal
Jul 2013
#50
If that should happen, and I hope it doesn't because I regard Edward Snowden
snappyturtle
Jul 2013
#41
Well this will bring out the pro spying, US gov can do no wrong, attack the messeger, it's the law
L0oniX
Jul 2013
#33
He's just a useful dupe for BushInc, Octafish. Sorry, but the 'coincidences' on the
blm
Jul 2013
#47
My Friend, where did I say Obama was no different than Bush? On this or any other thread?
Octafish
Jul 2013
#62
He didn't just expose US internal surveillance. He crossed the line into espionage
pnwmom
Jul 2013
#68
We already KNEW about it years ago, Oct. Snowden isn't pointing one finger at BFEE - he's walking
blm
Jul 2013
#131
Actually, Oct, Obama DID propose a budget requiring wealthy to pay more, requiring
blm
Jul 2013
#198
Still amazed that so many here can't see the level of slickness to the 'rollout' of
blm
Jul 2013
#188
Ironic that the ones who are pro-Snowden are being used by Bush Inc., the very
DevonRex
Jul 2013
#65
No way. There's never been an outcome where Dems gained from being viewed as no different
blm
Jul 2013
#85
They don't. They use the GOP as a vehicle. The Bushes are fascists - pure and simple.
blm
Jul 2013
#96
Disclosing classified national security information to foreign powers is treason.
shawn703
Jul 2013
#64
No evidence of that propaganda talking point. It is all distraction from
woo me with science
Jul 2013
#72
Authoritarian governments always use laws about secrecy to defend abuses of power.
woo me with science
Jul 2013
#162
Totalitarian governments always use treason as an excuse to silence their critics. n/t
totodeinhere
Jul 2013
#79
Governments abusing secrecy laws to conceal crime and repression from the people is treason. n/t
backscatter712
Jul 2013
#84
Purely projection in it's purest form, it's Ibsens ' An Enemy of the people '
orpupilofnature57
Jul 2013
#80
Snowden's not scary - he's just been a useful tool for those who manipulated this outcome.
blm
Jul 2013
#101
Nope - I think it's Jeb2016 benefitting from the Obama is no different than Bush scenario.
blm
Jul 2013
#117
If it's old news and it's still happening, what good did leaking it do the first time around?
NuclearDem
Jul 2013
#137
But why didnt you all hold senate hearings on this issue? or write OpEds in major newspapers?
bobduca
Jul 2013
#192
That's the point I've been making. It was institutionalized by Congress in 2006 and
blm
Jul 2013
#202
Ahahahahahahaha and the Manning leaks were going to get AMERICANS KILLED!!11
NuclearDem
Jul 2013
#129
Running to foreign countries ant telling them details makes him a traitor
liberal N proud
Jul 2013
#112