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calimary

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29. Yeah, but the problem with that is - WE ALL stand to lose that one.

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:54 PM

Jul 2013

Even those of us on the side of reality, science, logic, and facts. Those know-nothings threaten to drag us all down into extinction with them. WE will wind up paying for their willful (and distressingly PROUD) ignorance, closed-mindedness, and pigheadedness.

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We seem to be under siege like never before, and we are losing [View all] Faygo Kid Jul 2013 OP

Missing, whether by plan or design. Only a small handful of our Democratic Autumn Jul 2013 #1

I think we need to shift our thinking. Avalux Jul 2013 #2

We the People. Has a nice ring to it. Faygo Kid Jul 2013 #4

+1 nt Zorra Jul 2013 #8

Form a Community Bill of Rights in your municipality PuraVidaDreamin Jul 2013 #25

Thanks for this... Avalux Jul 2013 #34

I agree. We need to empower the unemployed to be self employed and then earcandle Jul 2013 #40

Dear Satan datasuspect Jul 2013 #91

How about an alien invasion? Avalux Jul 2013 #92

I understand your concern Faygo Kid. Doc_Technical Jul 2013 #3

+1 Given in the hope that you are right. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #13

More likely atreides1 Jul 2013 #22

I think you might be on to something there. MADem Jul 2013 #28

LOST ground? WHAT lost ground? Th1onein Jul 2013 #75

+++ marions ghost Jul 2013 #77

You aren't understanding what I said at all--I am not talking about YOUR lost ground. MADem Jul 2013 #95

If that is the case they are idiots for alienating women because that includes a large majority of jwirr Jul 2013 #42

last gasp? no, it's the sign that independent sources of resistance to their complete control HiPointDem Jul 2013 #66

It's a cliche to say "It's always darkest before the dawn." randome Jul 2013 #5

Well said, but I fear you underestimate them Faygo Kid Jul 2013 #10

We need to withdraw labor from the weapons industry world wide. earcandle Jul 2013 #46

Turning? I wish I saw/felt that. My pnwest Jul 2013 #12

I know how you feel, pnwest. As a woman, I feel as though I'm under seige. calimary Jul 2013 #27

It's always darkest... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #60

well said. kentuck Jul 2013 #6

Recommending because there really is a whole world of issues besides Zim and Snowden BlueStreak Jul 2013 #7

"Zim and Snowden" are integrally related to all these marions ghost Jul 2013 #79

I would welcome a SUBSTANDIVE discussion about how those all relate BlueStreak Jul 2013 #81

Both these two events marions ghost Jul 2013 #83

I'm not going to start YET ANOTHER thread on Zimmerman. BlueStreak Jul 2013 #112

Sure marions ghost Jul 2013 #114

That's right. Everyone I talk to says the same Triana Jul 2013 #9

Give your Mom a hug for me. Bless her. Faygo Kid Jul 2013 #14

America! Fuck Ya! SammyWinstonJack Jul 2013 #26

We ARE under siege like never before. CrispyQ Jul 2013 #11

because they are passionate and have tried to get a place at the table for decades Horse with no Name Jul 2013 #43

You're right ellie Jul 2013 #15

They can diss climate change all they want. That's one battle they're going to lose. - n/t Jim__ Jul 2013 #16

Agreed. That and wealth ineqaulity are our two biggest issues. Faygo Kid Jul 2013 #17

Yeah, but the problem with that is - WE ALL stand to lose that one. calimary Jul 2013 #29

I endorse every word. Scuba Jul 2013 #18

Thanks, and it's time for this discussion Faygo Kid Jul 2013 #19

Correct. We are on a coasting glide to the ground and one person could of made a difference. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #20

A well orchestrated corporate coup d'etat. Greybnk48 Jul 2013 #21

The end game we are experiencing was well underway by the 60's and 70's. reteachinwi Jul 2013 #109

Without the corporate war machine felix_numinous Jul 2013 #23

Well said. "..a disease of perception." KoKo Jul 2013 #88

democracy won't work while the left ignores the RW radio monopoly and pretends it's free speech certainot Jul 2013 #24

+1 It's brainwashing propaganda and it works when the alternatives have been KoKo Jul 2013 #38

big money = JFK'd SHRED Jul 2013 #30

That is how I explained what I think is going on - especially with the military issues - to my jwirr Jul 2013 #45

Where is the leadership? DJ13 Jul 2013 #31

I felt sick when Pres. Obama said that we have to get beyond the issues of the 60s... polichick Jul 2013 #32

He's a corporate DLC SHRED Jul 2013 #35

I know but, as a black man and a guy who was and is close... polichick Jul 2013 #37

you'd think he would that is for sure SHRED Jul 2013 #59

I think he really does care. Systematic Chaos Jul 2013 #78

If it's gotten that bad...then who will speak out? KoKo Jul 2013 #89

Oligarchy explains it all. n/t Pryderi Jul 2013 #33

They tell us that Democrats control 2/3 of the national government Blue Idaho Jul 2013 #36

This graph of $$$$ in Congress, really helped me see clearly 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #56

Long gone are the days Blue Idaho Jul 2013 #63

Filed under "Sad but True". eom 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #64

Agree. ananda Jul 2013 #94

that graph really says it all marions ghost Jul 2013 #85

There's no room for honest old lawyers from the Great Depression days KoKo Jul 2013 #90

I remember those cross-overs too, as I've lived in Oregon 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #104

It's the wrong two thirds, though. MADem Jul 2013 #96

"We" don't have shit 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #101

"We" don't show up in the mid-terms. MADem Jul 2013 #107

weakness is strength Ash_F Jul 2013 #39

I have the same feelings Lifelong Protester Jul 2013 #41

Why do people keep voting against felix_numinous Jul 2013 #68

+++ marions ghost Jul 2013 #86

I Despair konnie Jul 2013 #44

I despair too. I have watched for over a decade now--since Bush was selected live love laugh Jul 2013 #97

"Fences, bright and horrific" marions ghost Jul 2013 #98

We are in times of war, a war against American progress AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #47

A cold civil war marions ghost Jul 2013 #87

It's telling that when you name two national Democrats showing progressive leadership... Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #48

K&R, good post. TransitJohn Jul 2013 #49

"Where is the leadership?" <--hiding out in a Russian airport. 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #50

Damn! kentuck Jul 2013 #51

I think ProSense Jul 2013 #53

I would like to think this is true 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #61

Yeah, Obama's great. We've heard it all before. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #73

Please. Leaking, running away and hiding in a stall in no way describes leadership. great white snark Jul 2013 #80

Your observations are dead on and the lack of arthritisR_US Jul 2013 #52

Yes. we are losing and I have given up. I'm 60 and on a full medical disability. My 26yo daughter firenewt Jul 2013 #54

My daughter is 36, and she is disabled. Faygo Kid Jul 2013 #58

you wouldn't be here if you had completely given up, firenewt Skittles Jul 2013 #72

+ Infinity cantbeserious Jul 2013 #55

And you are correct. Iliyah Jul 2013 #57

TPTB are masters at propaganda and "divide and conquer" AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #62

Correct, and I wish we were winning this one. Faygo Kid Jul 2013 #65

And just how do you propose to do that? Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #67

Platitudes like this are counterproductive Doctor_J Jul 2013 #69

we might have passed the point where we can resist Doctor_J Jul 2013 #70

"Accept our fate" marions ghost Jul 2013 #99

it's almost as if we never won the presidential elections Skittles Jul 2013 #71

Noticed that too, did ya? Enthusiast Jul 2013 #74

Three and a half more years... KoKo Jul 2013 #93

2009_2010 should have opened everyone s eyes Doctor_J Jul 2013 #105

I see this as America's longest running war. BarbaRosa Jul 2013 #76

I was having similar thoughts at 4am this morning CanonRay Jul 2013 #82

not feeling it treestar Jul 2013 #84

"The problems of today are not a special crisis" marions ghost Jul 2013 #100

No empathy? SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #108

Don't leave out the $85 billion the Fed prints every month reteachinwi Jul 2013 #110

None of it could be done without Jeebus. nt valerief Jul 2013 #102

The seige is over, we lost. Deep13 Jul 2013 #103

"but what can we do?" polichick Jul 2013 #106

"but what can we do?" reteachinwi Jul 2013 #111

That pretty much sums it up for me npk Jul 2013 #113