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Hydra

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62. The entire premise

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:24 PM

Jul 2013

"Sure, I also understand that in off-year elections, the party of the president typically loses seats, but the 2010 blowout of Democrats was unprecedented!!"

That was because Our President, the one we worked so hard to elect, had an unprecedented number of young and independent voters. Remember that "Audacity of Hope" thing? When he got in office, it was the same old, same old. Those people who had dared to hope and don't usually stand with us did. And then they didn't when he didn't deliver.

All of us voted, so I'm not sure why this meme continues.On top of that, the third way clowns blunted our efforts to harness that anger in a useful direction, and the Koch Tea Party wound up sucking up the spotlight.

Trevon Martin died in vain not because we didn't vote, but because the people we voted for don't stand for Equality, Justice and the truth. Our party failed us. We didn't fail our party.

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Zimmerman's acquittal tonight is the result of Democrats not showing up in 2010! [View all] Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 OP

I will see that, and raise you DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #1

The law used in the defense was passed in 1974, and signed into law by a Democrat (Reubin Askew). nt X_Digger Jul 2013 #2

don't be facts to the discussion... Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #5

So busy being a smart ass that you ignore the larger, more important point. Never mind. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #14

I'm working damned hard to turn TX blue, but I don't use incorrect "facts" to make my case. X_Digger Jul 2013 #17

Still don't know what you're talking about. Can you explain? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #29

No law written since 2010 was invoked in this case. X_Digger Jul 2013 #35

The gun laws in Florida protected Zimmerman from being culpable. Those laws were strengthen when we Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #48

*headdesk* Which law? The one written in 1974?!? Signed by a (D) gov? X_Digger Jul 2013 #55

A dichotomy that might be implicated in the issue delrem Jul 2013 #58

2014 is so important sad-cafe Jul 2013 #3

Then our Democratic leaders should stop driving voters away MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #4

*shhhh...* You're interrupting another fact-free post Hydra Jul 2013 #10

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? HELL, NO!!" xocet Jul 2013 #11

What was fact-free about my OP? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #15

The entire premise Hydra Jul 2013 #62

I'm referring to Democrats running at the state and local levels. You're going to punish them, too? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #16

I don't want to punish anyone MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #23

O.K., and I do, too. But that happens at the grassroots (read: local) level, no? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #34

I feel kinda like you're blaming the victim MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #43

So find a progressive Democrat that you like at the local level and vote for that Democrat. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #46

Kennedy, Warren, and Markey are my elected representatives MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #49

Good, then. We're in agreement. Did we have to go through all of that just to come to the same Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #52

are you friggin' kidding treestar Jul 2013 #32

Dems Have Always Not Voted In Midterms otohara Jul 2013 #56

It's nader's fault The Straight Story Jul 2013 #6

It's not Nader's fault. This is serious! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #26

No, Stand Your Ground was not used in Zimmerman's defense BainsBane Jul 2013 #7

You don't read well. I clearly state that SYG was not used in this case. Please reread the post Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #18

What gun law since 2010 can you link this to? BainsBane Jul 2013 #20

Surely you know and understand that ALEC, with the NRA, drafted these extreme gun laws at the Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #24

Of course BainsBane Jul 2013 #33

I wasn't attacking anyone! I was actually responding to those attacking me and being rude, just Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #36

asking you for evidence is not being rude BainsBane Jul 2013 #38

Evidence for what? Your post is obtuse. I don't know what you're talking about! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #44

K/R CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #8

And then they get angry when we have the gutting of voting rights, reproductive rights laws, Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #22

no what I get angry about is when democrats push Race to the Top and my son's liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #42

So what does that mean? Does that mean that you won't vote for Democrats at the local/state level Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #45

I will vote for liberals who fight the control the 1% has over this country. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #53

Actually, we are in agreement. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #54

yeah, okay. Whatever. Your OP and post #22 really make that clear. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #57

.. pipoman Jul 2013 #9

BULLSHIT HiPointDem Jul 2013 #12

What's bullshit about anything I wrote? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #19

ride your hobbyhorse some other night HiPointDem Jul 2013 #28

Don't know what a hobbyhorse is. And I don't know what you're talking about. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #37

It's the politicians' fault. I will not vote for democrats who support corporations, who liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #13

I'm not asking you too. Hence, the *GOOD* Democrats emphasis in my OP. I support progressive Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #21

if I find a *good* democrat I'll vote for them. There's not many around. Too many have been liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #31

Please point out where I disagree with you? It comes from the bottom up. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #39

I thought it was because a Jury made a decision snooper2 Jul 2013 #25

Don't be silly. People are upset about the verdict. These gun laws are ridiculous! We need more Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #41

and in 72 hours snooper2 Jul 2013 #51

Amen treestar Jul 2013 #27

Florida went "shall issue" in 1987 aikoaiko Jul 2013 #30

O.K., but the larger point of my post shouldn't be up for dispute, no? Don't we want MORE Democrats Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #40

Yes, of course, we want more Ds in the state roll calls aikoaiko Jul 2013 #47

I support gun rights. This is not about responsible gun ownership. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #50

Votr Iliyah Jul 2013 #59

I get the idea things are improving... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #60

Don't think 2010 factored in. The NRA is somewhat responsible for the murder of many Americans. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #61