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Jackpine Radical

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77. Blame the law, not the jury.

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 04:30 PM

Jul 2013

Traditionally, anyone pleading self-defense had the burden of proof. By FL SYG law, as I understand it, the burden is reversed & the prosecution has to show that it wasn't self-defense.

This is an evil law, but the jury was constrained by it.

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Zimmerman is a contemptible person, but the jury got it right. [View all] Nye Bevan Jul 2013 OP

Yes, Zimmerman is a douchebag... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #1

Um, your vigilante hero stalked a guy around an apartment complex KamaAina Jul 2013 #2

He's far from being my "hero". (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #5

That's how I would have called it derby378 Jul 2013 #12

Discussed here Shrek Jul 2013 #16

+1. it's a travesty. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #45

Your post is uncivil. Jim Lane Jul 2013 #66

Your post is just wrong. Wrong in every way. cali Jul 2013 #84

Bull Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #3

NO THEY DIDN'T ! olddots Jul 2013 #4

The evidence of guilt was there for all to see no matter how inept the prosecution DevonRex Jul 2013 #6

That's not true. The jurors were able to be objective, something that many people are not Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #20

My comment stands as is. nt DevonRex Jul 2013 #24

of course backwoodsbob Jul 2013 #68

And you'd let that racist murderer go free, just like this jury did. nt DevonRex Jul 2013 #73

Yeah, how dare Trayvon call the psychotic stalker who would in minutes kill him EOTE Jul 2013 #36

I second your rant. yardwork Jul 2013 #90

BINGO! Little Star Jul 2013 #33

Oh, you're gonna get flamed BIG time for this. flvegan Jul 2013 #7

I hope to hear from the jury because I want to hear what I didn't hear. chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #8

That's absurd. Where's the PROOF Zimmerman acted in self defense? johnnyrocket Jul 2013 #9

According to the law, none is needed Shrek Jul 2013 #13

And prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #17

So the law is: go shoot up a black kid at will. Claim self defense. Walk. johnnyrocket Jul 2013 #22

with that law, the state can expect a lot of killings treestar Jul 2013 #53

That's not where the burden of proof lay. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #19

Bullshit! n/t Chan790 Jul 2013 #10

If the jury went by the law OwnedByCats Jul 2013 #11

Proof: dead kid at the hand of Zimmerman. johnnyrocket Jul 2013 #25

Dead kid at the hands of Casey Anthony OwnedByCats Jul 2013 #31

LOL, you really decided to post this tonight? Wow. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #14

As opposed to yesterday? (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #18

Horseshit. 99Forever Jul 2013 #15

Yeah, just like the "jury" in Simi Valley "got it right" David Zephyr Jul 2013 #21

You won't get flamed from me as you're right - lynne Jul 2013 #23

Wow, you're saying they APPEALED to the JURY'S EMOTIONS?!?!? hatrack Jul 2013 #26

the prosecution did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman committed a crime rollin74 Jul 2013 #27

Go open your champagne and put your mouse down for the night. Ilsa Jul 2013 #28

The last thing I would do is celebrate anything to do with this tragedy. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #29

not tonight kpete Jul 2013 #30

He may be not guilty but his hands are covered in blood. ryan_cats Jul 2013 #32

This was a simple case of bumbling by the prosecutors golfguru Jul 2013 #34

Fuck the jury. Apophis Jul 2013 #35

Bullshit. mzmolly Jul 2013 #37

He is guilty....He should have kept his fat butt in his truck. Punkingal Jul 2013 #38

Are you implying it is against the law to get out of your truck? golfguru Jul 2013 #39

no, it's against the law to stalk someone so you can shoot them. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #46

The charge against GZ was not stalking golfguru Jul 2013 #51

it should have been one of the charges. the pedophile got off. maybe he'll get jail for molesting HiPointDem Jul 2013 #54

I agree, GZ could have been found guilty for stalking against golfguru Jul 2013 #55

Yes I am.. Punkingal Jul 2013 #47

The charge was not stalking, it was 2nd degree murder golfguru Jul 2013 #52

all the heat-packers rejoice... dionysus Jul 2013 #40

I am actually totally pro-gun control. (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #41

my sincere apologies then. i misunderstood. dionysus Jul 2013 #42

No problem. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #43

ok, we're on the same page then. dionysus Jul 2013 #44

The President of the United States is STILL a black man. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2013 #48

Bit of a non-sequitur there. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #50

America is full of Zimmermans mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #49

In cities like Chicago 500 blacks are murdered every year golfguru Jul 2013 #56

That is not true!!!!! mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #61

My point is where is the outrage over 500 murders in Chicago? golfguru Jul 2013 #63

There is outrage. mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #64

right tiny elvis Jul 2013 #57

What did the prosecution have to prove? sadbear Jul 2013 #58

From the jury instructions: Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #59

I supposed with no reliable witnesses... sadbear Jul 2013 #60

The only injury Trayvon Martin had was his knuckles golfguru Jul 2013 #67

I suppose lingering is punishable by death, huh? sadbear Jul 2013 #70

Only if you try to bash someone's head on to concrete. n/t golfguru Jul 2013 #72

Doesn't look like he was trying very hard. sadbear Jul 2013 #75

AT the instant when your head is being bashed onto concrete, golfguru Jul 2013 #76

Bullshit. sadbear Jul 2013 #78

Try it on your head before using rude adjectives. golfguru Jul 2013 #89

Fuck that shit. sadbear Jul 2013 #91

I still see an obvious case of murder -- manslaughter at the least. Sparkly Jul 2013 #88

"Contemptible"?.. zimmerman is a murderous stalking asshole. Cha Jul 2013 #62

I am at a loss at your Op. The jury got it all wrong. akbacchus_BC Jul 2013 #65

A few DUers are doing a happy dance after the verdict Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #69

Nobody should be doing a "happy dance" over this horrible tragedy. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #71

Well, you seem pretty pleased with the outcome Scootaloo Jul 2013 #81

Stating that the jury correctly followed their instructions is not the same as being "pleased". Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #82

I wonder why you need to state it though? Scootaloo Jul 2013 #85

If you think I'm a "smug asshole", find my posts offensive, and feel like I talk down to people... Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #86

There is nothing happy about this case! golfguru Jul 2013 #74

Blame the law, not the jury. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #77

Zimmerman is an obvious liar with no credibilty... unapatriciated Jul 2013 #79

Did you find Jonathan Good to be a credible witness? Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #87

I didn't follow the trial matt819 Jul 2013 #80

I said pretty much from the beginning, a plea-bargain with some jail time would probably have been Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #83

I think you can disagree with the verdict davidpdx Jul 2013 #92