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In reply to the discussion: Milwaukee: Pair of men with concealed-carry permits engage in shootout [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)50. "You all repeatedly argue that CCW holders are more responsible and law abiding...
...tha(n) the general public." Because it's true, whether you like it or not- and that GSC
post you linked to demonstrates it:
Texas keeps and publishes those stats. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Reports/ConvictionRatesReport2011.pdf
For the year 2011:
Crime------------------------------------Total Convictions----CHL Holder Convictions---------------CHL Holder Percentage of Total
Agg Assault W/ Deadly Weapon-------------2,765---------------3------------------------------------0.1085%
Deadly Conduct (Includes non-fierarm)----1,353----------------9------------------------------------0.6652%
Deadly Conduct, Discharge Firearm-----------244----------------2-----------------------------------0.8197%
In 2011 there were 518,625 CHL holders. 2012 had 584,850.
As you can see there are a lot of us that have CHLs, but the offenders in that type of crime are in the single digits. None of them rise to 1% of the convictions. That is a far cry for your claimed 480% difference.
SYG & homicides. You assume that all homicides are wrong. Yes, SYG does lead to an increase in JUSTIFIED homices. That is to be expected. Criminals are more likely to suffer catastrophic failure of their victim selection program resulting inpermenant total system shutdown for the criminal. You slant the statement by omitting the word "justified"
For the year 2011:
Crime------------------------------------Total Convictions----CHL Holder Convictions---------------CHL Holder Percentage of Total
Agg Assault W/ Deadly Weapon-------------2,765---------------3------------------------------------0.1085%
Deadly Conduct (Includes non-fierarm)----1,353----------------9------------------------------------0.6652%
Deadly Conduct, Discharge Firearm-----------244----------------2-----------------------------------0.8197%
In 2011 there were 518,625 CHL holders. 2012 had 584,850.
As you can see there are a lot of us that have CHLs, but the offenders in that type of crime are in the single digits. None of them rise to 1% of the convictions. That is a far cry for your claimed 480% difference.
SYG & homicides. You assume that all homicides are wrong. Yes, SYG does lead to an increase in JUSTIFIED homices. That is to be expected. Criminals are more likely to suffer catastrophic failure of their victim selection program resulting inpermenant total system shutdown for the criminal. You slant the statement by omitting the word "justified"
Gee, not only are they safer to be around than the police, they're safer to be around than the public at large
(And no, 'moral harm' does not count)
Despite all your assertions to the contrary, no one denies CCW holders like the two idjits in the OP and
George Zimmerman exist- there's just not that many of them, and nowhere near the numbers you've claimed
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I have a VA concealed carry permit and I totally agree with you. These two assholes ...
11 Bravo
Jul 2013
#6
Well, it was common enough that these 2 idiots should encounter each other
Starboard Tack
Jul 2013
#53
"Time and time again gungeoneers insist CCW holders are all law abiding citizens...
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2013
#25
You're right. I've also called him out on more than one occasion when he misstated what I said.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jul 2013
#35
There's the thing about facts vs. opinion- Facts remain the same no matter how you feel about them.
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2013
#30
"You all repeatedly argue that CCW holders are more responsible and law abiding...
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2013
#50
Whoa! So cool! Who doesn't secretly yearn for a more exciting America,
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#19
Heck, the NRA's Pres' son was convicted of same thing. Gun culture's gift to society.
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#26
How much do you want to bet that the mean muggee mean mugged the mean mugger right back,
Jessy169
Jul 2013
#36
The mean mugging could have escalated to finger pointing or, god forbid, fist waving!
Gidney N Cloyd
Jul 2013
#58