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In reply to the discussion: The root issue Snowden exposed: Clapper's Library [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)20. Information is what Democracy and Spies crave.
A good read from what was in the public sphere:
Exposing the Global Surveillance System
In the late 1980′s, in a decision it probably regrets, the U.S. prompted New Zealand to join a new and highly secret global intelligence system. Hagers investigation into it and his discovery of the Echelon dictionary has revealed one of the worlds biggest, most closely held intelligence projects. The system allows spy agencies to monitor most of the worlds telephone, e-mail, and telex communications.
by Nicky Hager
1st February 1997
Originally published in: Covert Action Quarterly
EXCERPT...
INFORMATION CONTROL: A highly organized system has been developed to control what is being searched for by each station and who can have access to it. This is at the heart of ECHELON operations and works as follows.
The individual stations Dictionary computers do not simply have a long list of keywords to search for. And they do not send all the information into some huge database that participating agencies can dip into as they wish. It is much more controlled.
SNIP...
The whole system, devised by the NSA, has been adopted completely by the other agencies. The Dictionary computers search through all the incoming messages and, whenever they encounter one with any of the agencies keywords, they select it. At the same time, the computer automatically notes technical details such as the time and place of interception on the piece of intercept so that analysts reading it, in whichever agency it is going to, know where it came from, and what it is. Finally, the computer writes the four-digit code (for the category with the keywords in that message) at the bottom of the messages text. This is important. It means that when all the intercepted messages end up together in the database at one of the agency headquarters, the messages on a particular subject can be located again. Later, when the analyst using the Dictionary system selects the four- digit code for the category he or she wants, the computer simply searches through all the messages in the database for the ones which have been tagged with that number.
This system is very effective for controlling which agencies can get what from the global network because each agency only gets the intelligence out of the ECHELON system from its own numbers. It does not have any access to the raw intelligence coming out of the system to the other agencies. For example, although most of the GCSBs intelligence production is primarily to serve the UKUSA alliance, New Zealand does not have access to the whole ECHELON network. The access it does have is strictly controlled. A New Zealand intelligence officer explained: The agencies can all apply for numbers on each others Dictionaries. The hardest to deal with are the Americans. [There are] more hoops to jump through, unless it is in their interest, in which case theyll do it for you.
There is only one agency which, by virtue of its size and role within the alliance, will have access to the full potential of the ECHELON system the agency that set it up. What is the system used for? Anyone listening to official discussion of intelligence could be forgiven for thinking that, since the end of the Cold War, the key targets of the massive UKUSA intelligence machine are terrorism, weapons proliferation, and economic intelligence. The idea that economic intelligence has become very important, in particular, has been carefully cultivated by intelligence agencies intent on preserving their post-Cold War budgets. It has become an article of faith in much discussion of intelligence. However, I have found no evidence that these are now the primary concerns of organizations such as NSA.
CONTINUED...
http://www.nickyhager.info/exposing-the-global-surveillance-system/
When I read that, back when they were still publishing CAQ, I was surprised. It was the very NSA thing Frank Church warned us about.
That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesnt matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.
I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.
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well if snowden has the motherload as he has claimed then why isnt it in any of the documents?
DCBob
Jul 2013
#36
What he's implying is that every American now has an accessible "Permanent Record" of
GiaGiovanni
Jul 2013
#18
Clapper *clarified* his lie for the 1% and Snowden persists in his truth for the 99%
Catherina
Jul 2013
#19