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Igel

(37,455 posts)
74. Depends.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 07:19 PM
Jul 2013

My kid's 9. I teach him to evaluate. If he's with a group of adults, then he has the luxury of asking, politely, what the guy wants.

Otherwise his goal is to escape. That might mean blending in with a large group of kids. It probably means running. It might mean yelling for help, if people are around. Otherwise, it's a waste of oxygen and he'll need his breath. If home is an option, then he should run home. Otherwise he should run to find a responsible adult. If he's caught, his goal is to escape. Inflict pain; damage is beside the point. He can't incapacitate anybody, but biting and scratching and tripping might work fine. Then run.


When he's older, it's the same. Ask, if it's safe. Otherwise merge with the group for safety.

Otherwise escape. Again, run, yell if there are people nearby. If he has a phone, then 911 and stay on the line--put the phone in his pocket, don't lose it. If he's caught, fight and yell. Again, pain is the goal. If you escape, don't stay for that exra kick--he might grab you. Just run. If you're caught again, again, go for pain.

When he's bigger yet and might be able to fight reasonably, the goal is still self-defense. Don't lose your cool. You want the guy to go away, you don't want to put the guy away.

I don't see why it matters if the guy is a racist or a pedophile or a mugger. Not a topic that should especially interest my kid at the time, his focus should be on his own safety and, next, those around him. I'm not going to say, "Well, Igeling, if it's a pedophile, run, but if it's a mugger, it's not such a big deal." No. Fear is the mind-killer, but idle questions are distractions. Just escape.

That's all cancelled if the guy pulls and aims a gun at relatively close range or gives evidence of being a good shot. They you comply and don't give him a reason to kill you until it's in his plans. At the same time, you look for every opportunity to escape or draw attention to yourself. And it doesn't matter if the guy just happened to snag you as he came out of a bank or is a racist intent on race war.

And in the end he might have to improvise. If the guy follows you and stops 10 feet away and asks, "What's your problem?" then you answer matter of factly. "I'm Igeling. Who are you and why are you asking?" But not in a way to provoke him. He might be psychotic. He might just be out of breath and suspicious.

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There are the general safety rules. The "always rules" that say he may have all the rights in the world, but he's still responsible for his own safety. Think of it as "empowerment."

Respect curfew. Don't be out late at night.

Be transparent. People should know when you're leaving, when you're arriving, where you'll be in between. If it's multiple places, you should give people some idea as to how long in each place.

Be alert. Don't just look out for who might hurt you, look out for your escape route. Know exits, fire alarms, location of phones, and where responsible adults are likely to be.

Be alert 2. Avoid being in danger. Look ahead. No need to be paranoid, but be aware.

Buddy system. Avoid being in strange places, but if you have to be then don't be alone.

Don't be a fool. Don't provoke people. Don't create circumstances to make you into a victim.

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Run, Run, Run ... cantbeserious Jul 2013 #1
Running is prima facie evidence of guilt in FL if you are black. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #46
These bastards would shoot them in the back. Hoyt Jul 2013 #52
wrong answer... the woman wants her son alive SemperEadem Jul 2013 #61
and the fucker will run after you like zimmy ran after martin. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #70
Hard questions to answer, especially if the child is black. morningfog Jul 2013 #2
If they have a cell phone in their hand call 911 Crabby Appleton Jul 2013 #3
I agree. The best answer is to call 911 and detail what is happening while trying to bluestate10 Jul 2013 #73
Don't be black, or latino, or female, or ... blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #4
Very good questions that deserve answers Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #5
run, make noise to draw attention, call 911 asap rollin74 Jul 2013 #6
Tell them to run away as fast as they can. MineralMan Jul 2013 #7
No child can run faster than a bullet. Teach them how to AIM. nt LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #10
Nonsense. MineralMan Jul 2013 #14
Don't they also say not to run in a straight line... polichick Jul 2013 #25
Distance is your friend. Most people are very poor MineralMan Jul 2013 #30
a black child running will warrant a bullet in the back SemperEadem Jul 2013 #63
Again, your OPINION, vs FACT...Notice how you switched it around when you said... LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #67
More guns! Iggo Jul 2013 #64
Sad, but true in Florida, where the sidewalk is a weapon, and thus, a fair fight. nt LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #66
you should arm your child and teach him to shoot anyone who follows him. Sad, but true... LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #8
That's an absolute crock. I'm sorry, but that is about the MineralMan Jul 2013 #16
You are entitled to your own OPINION, but you are not entitled to your own FACTS LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #19
Running will keep the child from being gunned down. MineralMan Jul 2013 #22
Children can't run faster than bullets, so....um....BULLSHIT LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #23
I see that you will not be reasoned with. MineralMan Jul 2013 #24
You are the one who can't be reasoned with. Here is REALITY, kids can't outrun bullets LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #27
I guess it's pretty counterintuitive to think that running would be the best option. ananda Jul 2013 #33
Oh, this isn't *about* a "good outcome". This is about PROTECTING MINORITY CHILDREN since they now LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #43
So you sugest we should arm children now? darkangel218 Jul 2013 #57
More guns is always the answer. Iggo Jul 2013 #72
Exactly.... PsychGrad Jul 2013 #62
Go home and don't circle back to confront.... Pelican Jul 2013 #9
IOW: Know your place. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #47
You still getting your "evidence" from Free Republic, Stormfront, or worse. Hoyt Jul 2013 #54
Take a deep breath.... Pelican Jul 2013 #60
GO HOME? Oh, now the populace must give over the public arena to STALKERS AND KILLERS? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #56
Right.... PsychGrad Jul 2013 #65
Run. Run as fast as you can and don't stop running. n/t Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #11
find the closest front door and ring the doorbell burnodo Jul 2013 #12
Except when the people in the house would rather watch you and your... polichick Jul 2013 #40
What color is your child? Sadly, that makes all the difference. 11 Bravo Jul 2013 #13
Call 911 on their cellphone and get out of there ASAP. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #15
I'd advise getting out of there and THEN calling 911. MineralMan Jul 2013 #17
I'm thinking, if 911 is on the line, the call is being recorded, Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Jul 2013 #18
Same thing I was taught: get away quickly; get to a public place and call the police REP Jul 2013 #20
The police are there not to stop crimes or protect you HockeyMom Jul 2013 #29
I agree; police are largely useless but the call will be on file REP Jul 2013 #42
As a child of the 70s and 80s, PsychGrad Jul 2013 #69
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #21
"fight like hell" = reason to shoot you in 'self-defense' HiPointDem Jul 2013 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #38
it's assuming *nothing*. if you fight your attacker, the attacker can claim self-defense after HiPointDem Jul 2013 #39
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #45
bullshit apologetics. the shooter always wins. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #48
After your attacker shoots and kills you, he can claim you attacked first. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #49
I've fought off several attackers. Haven't been shot. REP Jul 2013 #44
These posts can't be for real Azathoth Jul 2013 #28
Run away! That's the best advice. MineralMan Jul 2013 #32
why not? it's the logical outcome of gun culture. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #36
Trade your mace and cellphones for Glocks, I say leftstreet Jul 2013 #55
Call 911 and get on the public record. Baitball Blogger Jul 2013 #31
Turn around, go back and confront the person. mr_liberal Jul 2013 #34
no, better to stalk some teenager walking home from the store, continue to stalk him even when HiPointDem Jul 2013 #37
Was this meant as JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #41
no, it's pretty clear what it is. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #50
No, it's somebody claiming that Trayvon is responsible for his own murder, kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #51
I forgot, most people here seem to not know what mr_liberal Jul 2013 #59
sure, "mr liberal". HiPointDem Jul 2013 #71
Travel in pairs? grasswire Jul 2013 #53
OFGS. "Travel in pairs." WinkyDink Jul 2013 #58
kill them before they kill you pasto76 Jul 2013 #68
Depends. Igel Jul 2013 #74
If they are in Florida you better teach then to shoot first 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #75
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