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MADem

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67. I don't disagree with that, but there are plenty of folks who received firearms training in boot

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 01:12 AM

Jul 2013

camp, OCS, ROTC, or Academy training, and never picked up a weapon ever again, for any reason, during the course of very long careers.

My only points are that military firearms training does not necessarily translate to a memory of it (particularly for those in initial entry training, where everything is a blur) and it does not necessarily translate to any sort of actual "experience" with firearms. A day or two at the range does not a proficient gun owner make.

Your last paragraph, if you look at it dispassionately, is really pretty jive. Why do you have a need to get snarky? I'll bet the USN folks who were not exposed to the joys of "playing" with a gun on a regular basis didn't miss it in the slightest--ergo, you've no need to feel "sorry" for them at all.

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If you served in the military, you can own a gun. Otherwise it's illegal to own one. [View all] Mr. David Jul 2013 OP

I'm not sure what your point is, exactly... n/t Scootaloo Jul 2013 #1

I suspect his point is that if that were true here, fewer folks would own guns than do now. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2013 #5

Israel has a military service requirement, does it not? anomiep Jul 2013 #8

I believe so, yes. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2013 #12

hardly much of a point ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #2

I think it is valid mick063 Jul 2013 #4

police are taught those exact same things ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #6

Like I said. I'm fine with LEO's and military people owning a gun - they are regulated militias. Mr. David Jul 2013 #11

i think if people obtain the proper training ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #13

Who gets to decide... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #17

Not a whole lot of gun training in the Navy or Air Force. Disallow their veterans 2A rights? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #28

Perhaps your argument isn't an "end all" argument mick063 Jul 2013 #47

"Those qualifications are a subset of being a member of the military." What utter bullshit. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #49

I served in the Navy from 1984-1990 mick063 Jul 2013 #50

And your experience doesn't equal everyone else's either. MADem Jul 2013 #53

I aptly qualified my post. mick063 Jul 2013 #56

Well, this whole imbroglio started with "Not a lot of training in USN and USAF" and that IS true. MADem Jul 2013 #57

There were 17 frigates assigned to my squadron. mick063 Jul 2013 #58

Your notion that some veterans are qualified to possess firearms cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #60

You aren't giving me a warm fuzzy that you should own one. mick063 Jul 2013 #62

There's no need to be uncivil when discussing this topic. You should edit and apologize. nt MADem Jul 2013 #64

For you. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #65

You are a good person. MADem Jul 2013 #68

There are 23 frigates of fewer than 300 ships in service right now. MADem Jul 2013 #63

What I am saying is that comprehending rules of engagement is important mick063 Jul 2013 #66

I don't disagree with that, but there are plenty of folks who received firearms training in boot MADem Jul 2013 #67

So what conclusion are you trying to drive the readers to? Ilsa Jul 2013 #3

My point is that these people have been trained to handle guns through military training Mr. David Jul 2013 #9

Well, there are a few odd factors to consider... Scootaloo Jul 2013 #23

There are other ways to get Ilsa Jul 2013 #35

Only people with proper training can own a gun. Works for me. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #22

I'd like that as well. Huge fines or jail Ilsa Jul 2013 #37

Actually BigL Jul 2013 #7

And gets the proper training on handling a firearm. Mr. David Jul 2013 #10

And? BigL Jul 2013 #15

Know where not? JohnnyBoots Jul 2013 #14

I have served in the military... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #16

that's everybody in Israel no? Or almost so? nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #18

You are correct. nt MADem Jul 2013 #54

That would be like madville Jul 2013 #19

Of course Muslims serve in the IDF. former9thward Jul 2013 #25

I don't have a problem with people keeping guns at home. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #20

In your own home is fine HockeyMom Jul 2013 #21

Out of curiosity have you ever had a bad experience with a person ... spin Jul 2013 #32

Knife and male, yes HockeyMom Jul 2013 #33

Did your 68 year old neighbor have a concealed weapons permit? ... spin Jul 2013 #36

That may work for you but will it work for a 100 pound woman, ... spin Jul 2013 #31

I guess you aren't an NRA member HockeyMom Jul 2013 #38

It takes years of training to become a 2nd degree Black Belt. ... spin Jul 2013 #42

I've had zero formal judo training and I can throw just about anyone REP Jul 2013 #44

It's ridiculous for all those people to carry around guns LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #40

Your advise is excellent, however ... spin Jul 2013 #43

I don't know how to handle a rapist. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #45

I am not suggesting arming anybody. ... spin Jul 2013 #52

Pretty much everyone serves in the military. former9thward Jul 2013 #24

I put this in my journal... hunter Jul 2013 #26

Glad I don't live in Israel. ileus Jul 2013 #27

Why? Their ownership is well...low nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #30

And it s still highly regulated nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #29

My 2.8 cents (inflation) Half-Century Man Jul 2013 #34

So what they have a defense service law. Rex Jul 2013 #39

Yay PTSD. This op is mentally challanged. galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #41

Even if true, so what? badtoworse Jul 2013 #46

In Japan You Have to Register A Sword otohara Jul 2013 #48

You have to register your US Navy ceremonial sword, too! nt MADem Jul 2013 #55

Well, damn near EVERYONE in Israel serves in the military--so that's just silly. MADem Jul 2013 #51

That's what I thought too. Rex Jul 2013 #59

Some Israeli's kids have figured it all out.... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #61