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Igel

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12. I've heard the same facts cited as counterarguments.
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 01:34 PM
Feb 2012

They create uncertainty in whether a man's actually the father or a cuckold, they granted women undue influence in the structure of early society since they tended to stay at home and organize home life and raise the children. It's harder being a single herder without somebody organizing the household that provides food, shelter, clothing, and heat.

Hence matriarchies are posited as the earliest form of human social structure. Oddly, they're always romanticized as good.

Arguably, early societies, in which children are scarce, were organized around childbearing--not just the women's lifestyle, but also the men's. Lots of training of children, getting extra food for children, protecting the offspring against intraclan, intratribal rivalries. On top of that you have the adults all competing for their own selfish interests. Recently men were better at it than women, if only because it's likely women were more interested in the children they invested so much time with and bonded with. (My family was the opposite: My mother worked for herself and took care of herself; my father worked to feed me and provide for me. It's no prettier when the mother is a selfish sexist racist ogre than when the man is. It's just less stereotypical and so can be ignored as a possible variant to be considered in an argument.)

The biggest change since the Paleolithic is that currently, for many people, children are commodities. You need a certain level of luxury for that to be the case and even places like Afghanistan have long since reached that level.

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I'm kicking this so it won't fall off the page. shraby Feb 2012 #1
K&R'd. snot Feb 2012 #2
K&R!!! yellerpup Feb 2012 #3
k&r greendog Feb 2012 #4
K & R! lonestarnot Feb 2012 #5
I think there is a component of racism too. These rich white guys don't want to become a minority peacebird Feb 2012 #6
k&r northoftheborder Feb 2012 #7
kickski Snarkoleptic Feb 2012 #8
K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2012 #9
The good thing about this whole issue is that a couple of generations get to be educated lunatica Feb 2012 #10
+1 for this and OP #1 BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2012 #11
I've heard the same facts cited as counterarguments. Igel Feb 2012 #12
I would argue that we've been moving away from children being commodities XemaSab Feb 2012 #13
Point well taken. Rhiannon12866 Feb 2012 #24
I would argue your first point Mojorabbit Feb 2012 #23
Though there are many good points in the OP superpatriotman Feb 2012 #14
k&r recommended reading for Everyone Whisp Feb 2012 #15
Pregnancy and bearing children is a strength, not a weakness. AllyCat Feb 2012 #16
K&R! n/t Lugnut Feb 2012 #17
Actually birth control was widely practiced in the ancient world with an herb called Sylphion. Cleita Feb 2012 #18
That's clearly where Santorum is coming from. Good piece. DirkGently Feb 2012 #19
I can condense it to two words. tavalon Feb 2012 #20
Precisely Sherman A1 Feb 2012 #28
A good start -- here's more, about the ROOT of the problem Remember Me Feb 2012 #21
My mother gave us this to read as teenagers malaise Feb 2012 #22
Right. Why do most women have babies? Because they get pregnant. valerief Feb 2012 #25
">>>They are, above everything else, desperate to get their women back under firm control."<<< n/t ProfessionalLeftist Feb 2012 #26
k&r nt steve2470 Feb 2012 #27
It's also very much about electoral politics Martin Eden Feb 2012 #29
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