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Lee-Lee

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62. I am familiar with that case

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 10:54 AM

Jul 2013

You can't claim self defense if you leave the confrontation, get a weapon, voluntarily go back and use the weapon.

Additionally she had a restraining orde against him yet she went to his dwelling and was in contact with him- a violation of that order. That alone us an arrest able offense for her, protective orders work both ways.

Nothing irritated me more than to spend half a shift helping a woman get an order for protection, explaining they meant she couldn't willingly go around him also, and 2-3 days later get a call because she did and they were fighting. Again.

My policy was simple- if there was an order in place and there was a violation whoever initiated the contact was going to jail. I didn't tolerate persons the order was against ignoring them, I didn't tolerate people who took out an order acting like it was optional for them or not a big deal.

What this shows more than anything is the idiocy of mandatory sentences the remove judicial discretion in sentencing.

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DU lost its mind after the Zimmerman verdict [View all] Bake Jul 2013 OP

Its pretty embarassing actually naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #1

This. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #24

What was Trayvon ever accused of? ananda Jul 2013 #73

I didn't say he was accused of anything. Nt naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #78

Zimmerman accused him of being suspiciously black Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #86

Nonsense.. No one is advocating against true "self defense" hlthe2b Jul 2013 #2

Is that what I said? Bake Jul 2013 #12

Your call out of DUers who disagree with you on the verdict and your egregious mischaracerization hlthe2b Jul 2013 #17

Thank you. No one is suggesting the things stated in the OP. n/t Dawgs Jul 2013 #64

+1 OP is swinging at straw men woolldog Jul 2013 #74

double standards are funny things hfojvt Jul 2013 #129

No, indeed, that DUer did not mischaracterize what other DUers said. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #136

Yes, it is what you said muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #79

You may not look for trouble, but that doesn't stop the Zimmermans Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #88

Actually, you said that you believe a rapist has the right to murder your wife. reusrename Jul 2013 #118

+1 Hangingon Jul 2013 #3

Broad Brush there.... trumad Jul 2013 #4

Are you nuts? Bake Jul 2013 #18

+2, premium Jul 2013 #5

Also, to unfairly broadbrush other DU members based upon differences of opinions, & get away with it NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #6

Then you weren't paying attention Bake Jul 2013 #25

The jury system dates back to Magna Carta. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #7

Lost it's mind? You just now noticed? hobbit709 Jul 2013 #8

No, I waited until now to post. Bake Jul 2013 #27

And the boycott calls are insane ksoze Jul 2013 #9

Minority teenage issues?? Is that what you call murdering a kid? Talk about dismissive. WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #61

Chill out mind reader ksoze Jul 2013 #99

and federal civil rights prosecution would be double joepardy markiv Jul 2013 #10

Federal prosecution would not be double jeopardy--different sovereign entity. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #16

i know of no case where the state tried someone for something substantial markiv Jul 2013 #20

Your ignorance is not a defense against history. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #26

do you believe the state failed to prosecute this case markiv Jul 2013 #30

Doesn't matter, feds can always step in if there's a violation of federal criminal law. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #31

yes it does matter, what people are asking them to do, is double jeopardy, in spirit markiv Jul 2013 #35

So now you're talking lofty principles instead of the law nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #37

double jeopardy is more than just a 'lofty principal' markiv Jul 2013 #43

I just proved to you that there is no right against federal prosecutions geek tragedy Jul 2013 #48

perception is reality markiv Jul 2013 #56

You are wrong ceonupe Jul 2013 #114

fbi report Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #128

Yep ceonupe Jul 2013 #143

Wasn't that the case with the Rodney King police officers?? RockaFowler Jul 2013 #140

They were different charges anomiep Jul 2013 #47

Every federal charge is different from the state charge, since geek tragedy Jul 2013 #51

Well anomiep Jul 2013 #82

Try the Rodney King & Danziger Bridge cases..... Little Star Jul 2013 #45

A consideration of facts is going to slow things down. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #65

this case is precisely why the feds have to step in noiretextatique Jul 2013 #50

All of that has nothing to do with what happened in the Zimmerman trial... Pelican Jul 2013 #68

THE EVIDENCE IS AMERICAN HISTORY noiretextatique Jul 2013 #104

What are you talking about? Pelican Jul 2013 #107

Yep! Little Star Jul 2013 #69

The burden of proof is even harder in a Federal civil rights charge hack89 Jul 2013 #80

i don't think so noiretextatique Jul 2013 #105

It was not prominent in the trial hack89 Jul 2013 #110

i am not sure why they didn't noiretextatique Jul 2013 #113

Claims =/= proof hack89 Jul 2013 #119

how do you prove someone is racist? noiretextatique Jul 2013 #123

I can think of several hack89 Jul 2013 #124

No one lost their minds. mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #11

She won't "brandish." Bake Jul 2013 #33

she will shoot mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #39

Right...and the dead person will never be able to tell his/her side. Atman Jul 2013 #49

I just read the law and you're absolutely right Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #92

And if its reasonable. You're damn right Bake Jul 2013 #52

If there was ever a case for expressed outrage, this is it... Yet those who can not understand that. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #55

So, "speaking out of frustration" excuses crazy talk? Silent3 Jul 2013 #81

Interesting, where were these posts because I never saw them Quixote1818 Jul 2013 #13

Then you missed it. All of it. Bake Jul 2013 #36

Maybe I did, I guess I just don't click on those posts Quixote1818 Jul 2013 #60

so did you comment on THOSE threads instead of making this all about you? Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #93

If you honestly think this case boils down to someone is dead, therefore Z was guilty, stranger81 Jul 2013 #94

The Florida rule is that a man can try to rape a woman, and if she fights back geek tragedy Jul 2013 #14

No, it is not Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #22

Imagine if Trayvon Martin were a 19 year old young black woman geek tragedy Jul 2013 #29

I agree for the most part but take a look at this case Quixote1818 Jul 2013 #34

I am familiar with that case Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #62

Not even close Bake Jul 2013 #40

If she's armed. If he's armed and she's not, well then he's the geek tragedy Jul 2013 #41

if she shot him she would have been charged and convicted JI7 Jul 2013 #130

If AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #71

Wow! And it is so nice of you to share you and your wife's guilt-free willingness jmg257 Jul 2013 #91

That's why I stayed away from DU yesterday. . . DinahMoeHum Jul 2013 #15

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #21

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #42

You might want to change the "you're an idiot" part. Dawgs Jul 2013 #67

I guess I'm "more sensitive than yourself". And 5 jurors agreed with me. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #77

Good. Dawgs Jul 2013 #95

That was satire, right??? DinahMoeHum Jul 2013 #96

People are just venting... Punkingal Jul 2013 #19

Sometimes. Igel Jul 2013 #133

thank goodness Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #23

I must plead 'mea culpa' to at least flirting with the first particular ('Eliminate the HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #28

I never said eliminate self-defense laws, I said revise Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #32

where's batman? datasuspect Jul 2013 #38

And in the wake of big stories, this is different for DU how? Lex Jul 2013 #44

Don't forget eliminate Florida Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #46

You said it Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #53

If your wife resists the attack Turbineguy Jul 2013 #54

She'll need to enroll in "sniper" training post haste!... hlthe2b Jul 2013 #57

!!! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #72

What's that? People say things when they get pissed? Scootaloo Jul 2013 #58

I accept the jury's decision over trial-by-media. Dash87 Jul 2013 #59

Not me, the verdict was predictable given the prosecution's Beacool Jul 2013 #63

DU always loses its mind over issues like this bigwillq Jul 2013 #66

I believe it would be better for 100 men to go without guns, than one innocent boy be shot. onehandle Jul 2013 #70

Don't forget the elimination of the freedom from illegal search and seizure Android3.14 Jul 2013 #75

I have too! Fear makes cowards of us all. Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #97

Are you allowed to say this? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #76

The FL law is absurd, as a juror I would have ignored the law Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #83

Don't wait on a pizza line in St. Pete HockeyMom Jul 2013 #87

Vigilante ville - Disney's latest theme park: long lines, heat, humidity, and guns. Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #100

Disney big fight with State of Florida HockeyMom Jul 2013 #120

A zone of sanity in a swamp full of gators Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #131

Irrational fear for something that has not happened HockeyMom Jul 2013 #84

+1 n/t IL Lib Jul 2013 #142

People are so upset because, although we live in the avebury Jul 2013 #85

Eliminate injustice, mzmolly Jul 2013 #89

Being armed is not assurance of the ability to get and use the weapon. Bundy, e.g., incapaci- WinkyDink Jul 2013 #90

When we all know the jury was wrong crim son Jul 2013 #98

The law was wrong ... The jury was weak Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #101

Forget it... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #103

hi, GUN NUT!! Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #102

Agree, I used to say it re: the OJ case too treestar Jul 2013 #106

all I know is G_j Jul 2013 #108

Um...someone needs to put down the pipe Rex Jul 2013 #109

I don't think you want that stuff. DevonRex Jul 2013 #122

Unarmed and unharmed over 62 years DainBramaged Jul 2013 #111

And I avoided becoming a statistic Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #116

Bravado, you have it DainBramaged Jul 2013 #117

That is what you think keeps you from being a statistic. Rex Jul 2013 #126

Only partially true Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #132

You feel empowered by that particular situation because Rex Jul 2013 #134

Your opinion Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #135

That part is true, few criminals are shot by law abiding citizens. Rex Jul 2013 #139

Interesting page Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #141

Yes. This happens EVERY time some perceived injustice occurs. closeupready Jul 2013 #112

Nope. Just turns out DUers are human. Orsino Jul 2013 #115

The jury didn't get it a little wrong, they got it disastrously wrong. Nine Jul 2013 #121

Few are making those absurd claims.. DCBob Jul 2013 #125

I think if this country had less fearful gun humpers roaming around in public SirRevolutionary Jul 2013 #127

Your wife's being armed does not guarantee a rapist or attempted rapist will suffer the consequence Iris Jul 2013 #137

DU has been doing that a lot lately. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #138