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GliderGuider

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51. Well, that's civil disobedience for you.

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 12:15 PM

Jul 2013

If the government and its lawfully appointed bureaucrats are not behaving appropriately I want to know about it. If that takes an Ed Snowden, so be it. The fact that there were no trustworthy official channels to get this information out, and it took a Snowden to do it means that his actions were desperately needed.

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Per SPIEGEL: Snowden showed Spiegel documents that could endanger NSA lives. [View all] pnwmom Jul 2013 OP

Dangerous information that now has an increased chance of falling into the wrong hands. BenzoDia Jul 2013 #1

Yes. Spiegel chose not to publish it but someone else could. Or another government pnwmom Jul 2013 #3

agree, although i don't know how much other information... allin99 Jul 2013 #19

Snowden has said from the beginning that he will trust Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #2

I don't trust the Chinese newspaper, which is under state control. Just because pnwmom Jul 2013 #4

State control of control by the 1% malaise Jul 2013 #18

The 1% will use information for monetary gain riqster Jul 2013 #28

And if someone hacks into a journalist's e-mail or phone to get at that data? BenzoDia Jul 2013 #5

The stupid "let the chips fall where they may" fucks don't care. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #11

the gov't would be wise to pay them both a visit... allin99 Jul 2013 #23

If he thinks greenwald can be trusted he's nuts... allin99 Jul 2013 #9

Sorry, but who is Snowden to be playing God? brush Jul 2013 #13

hmmm. that's true. allin99 Jul 2013 #20

NSA_doesn't_run_human_intel_or_covert_agents._It_only_has_liaison_officers_w/_allied_services. leveymg Jul 2013 #6

Speigel says it has seen information that could endanger NSA lives. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #15

Then Speigel is lieing, the OP you responded to is correct 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #31

Snowden has also said he had access to US assets around the world. pnwmom Jul 2013 #33

The notion that there is a "NOC"-list is ridiculous. Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #46

I hope that Snowden is lying about this. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #48

You clearly do not understand 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #47

The NSA and CIA do jointly operate a clandestine service, the Special Collections Service (SCS) see leveymg Jul 2013 #61

Thank you......great points if only folks would jump off the treason/traitor snappyturtle Jul 2013 #55

No more so than if the identities of any other U.S. military officers or contractors were revealed. leveymg Jul 2013 #54

Here we go again hobbit709 Jul 2013 #7

Treason has to involve and "enemy" treestar Jul 2013 #8

We have enemies in al Queda, last I heard. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #14

Wouldn't he have to specifically meet with them and hand information to them? treestar Jul 2013 #16

He's "handed it over" to any malefactor with four quarters jmowreader Jul 2013 #21

Why should he? If he makes it available to them, that should be enough, IMO. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #29

This is overblown. CIA runs agent networks abroad. NSA and CIA jointly operate leveymg Jul 2013 #56

This asshole needs the needle. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #10

Ummmm...no. randome Jul 2013 #25

He gets a pass on this because of domestic surveillance shawn703 Jul 2013 #12

Good! rusty fender Jul 2013 #17

Anyone advocating for the deaths of NSA agents SHOULD be under surveillance. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #22

maybe you should report him. allin99 Jul 2013 #24

It's a bogus claim that NSA agents are in danger, physically rusty fender Jul 2013 #26

On what basis do you think Speigel is making a bogus claim? pnwmom Jul 2013 #32

See Post #31 rusty fender Jul 2013 #40

Licking the NSA's boots is just as unpleasant as licking Snowden's, I would think. randome Jul 2013 #34

Treason? Spider Jerusalem Jul 2013 #27

Words have dictionary meanings. But many also have colloquial meanings. randome Jul 2013 #30

The OP is talking about charges of treason. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2013 #39

Maybe the NSA should quit playing deadly games. morningfog Jul 2013 #35

Sure, when the rest of the world does. pnwmom Jul 2013 #36

I also don't believe the claim. It is bullshit. morningfog Jul 2013 #37

but it was snowden's press guy who made the claim, so... allin99 Jul 2013 #38

Okay, I still don't buy it. morningfog Jul 2013 #41

I find all this effort at demonizing Snowden a bit amusing Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #42

Who elected Snowden? I must have missed that. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #43

Who elected the folks at NSA? I missed that part too... nt GliderGuider Jul 2013 #44

They were hired by law to work for a government made up of appointed and elected officials. pnwmom Jul 2013 #49

Well, that's civil disobedience for you. GliderGuider Jul 2013 #51

good point marions ghost Jul 2013 #57

Not leaking our international spying activities to the world. pnwmom Jul 2013 #62

Well, since you put it that way GliderGuider Jul 2013 #63

snowden was also hired.. frylock Jul 2013 #52

K & R Scurrilous Jul 2013 #45

What about the next 2 paragraphs of the article? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #50

We should be ignorant of the names of government workers... Eric J in MN Jul 2013 #53

I would want to note that the part you quoted is, IMHO about the least interesting. Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #58

too bad-- they should out the spying bastards into cold hard daylight.... mike_c Jul 2013 #59

Then Greenwald ProSense Jul 2013 #60