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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]Pholus
(4,062 posts)114. Apple says that you too hold a blacksmith's hammer in the brave new "global economy."
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/jan/22/apple-america-and-squeezed-middle-class/
The article itself makes a single statement is too simple and direct to be taken out of context:
"Apple executives believe there simply arent enough U.S. workers with the skills the company needs or factories with sufficient speed and flexibility."
So by what insane leap of logic do you think these future robot jobs come back? Go on. TRY to argue this one...but you've already lost before you begin. The supply chain COMES here now, it DOESN'T go in the other direction with anything but food.
I started off thinking that this was merely a bad PR move on the part of Apple and a few people on DU with brand loyalty outweighing a sense of decency and fairness.
Then I read this article.
Flat out in black and white Apple DOES NOT SEE a future for itself in this country. Oh yes, they see customers all right but they have obviously detached themselves from any sort of a shared destiny or sense of shared responsibility.
Given foxconn I should have suspected as much, but I guess once again I find myself insufficiently cynical to deal with the actual reality on the ground.
At the end of the article, Jobs told the President that he isn't worried for this country and that while this country is "insanely great" we don't talk enough about solutions.
Mightly rich bullshit considering the President of the United States was minutes before fishing for a solution from him and got shot down in flames. And the statement about not being worried about the country can obviously can be read TWO ways with typical hipster irony.
Support your little logo all you wish, but keep in mind their own words agree with my conclusion that they are no longer an AMERICAN company and thus are unworthy of ANY of my sympathy.
The article itself makes a single statement is too simple and direct to be taken out of context:
"Apple executives believe there simply arent enough U.S. workers with the skills the company needs or factories with sufficient speed and flexibility."
So by what insane leap of logic do you think these future robot jobs come back? Go on. TRY to argue this one...but you've already lost before you begin. The supply chain COMES here now, it DOESN'T go in the other direction with anything but food.
I started off thinking that this was merely a bad PR move on the part of Apple and a few people on DU with brand loyalty outweighing a sense of decency and fairness.
Then I read this article.
Flat out in black and white Apple DOES NOT SEE a future for itself in this country. Oh yes, they see customers all right but they have obviously detached themselves from any sort of a shared destiny or sense of shared responsibility.
Given foxconn I should have suspected as much, but I guess once again I find myself insufficiently cynical to deal with the actual reality on the ground.
At the end of the article, Jobs told the President that he isn't worried for this country and that while this country is "insanely great" we don't talk enough about solutions.
Mightly rich bullshit considering the President of the United States was minutes before fishing for a solution from him and got shot down in flames. And the statement about not being worried about the country can obviously can be read TWO ways with typical hipster irony.
Support your little logo all you wish, but keep in mind their own words agree with my conclusion that they are no longer an AMERICAN company and thus are unworthy of ANY of my sympathy.
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The related post is the Scheer article which was discussed elsewhere this morning...
Pholus
Feb 2012
#9
Great point "the physical conditions are way, way above average of the norm."
grahamhgreen
Feb 2012
#13
That's easy. Make students sign a no-suicide pact with financial penalties for their survivors.
Pholus
Feb 2012
#82
Fascinating. North Korea also has a similar law, if you kill yourself, your entire family suffers.
joshcryer
Feb 2012
#88
Begs the question - how bad is the norm? We need to end the Costly Trade Agreements, increase tariff
grahamhgreen
Feb 2012
#12
Way, way? Is that some professional lingo? Is 'way, way' twice 'way' or 10x 'way'?
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2012
#14
It's a professional term: Way, way is "way to the way'th power" In other words EXPONENTIALLY. nt
Pholus
Feb 2012
#17
Your points are logical, and well reasoned, I do not expect a coherent response.
joshcryer
Feb 2012
#57
I'm glad you pointed out the required technical conditions, I probably would've overlooked that.
joshcryer
Feb 2012
#64
I'm simply amazed how things like this can ever be justified. Or that people even try...
Pholus
Feb 2012
#87
Sounds to me like "Hey, there *might* be a *surprise* inspection on Tuesday at 6:30 a.m." n/t
Earth_First
Feb 2012
#25
The board of the "Fair Labor Association" is full of corporate CEOs. What a joke!
Romulox
Feb 2012
#42
It's a significant amount, to be sure. I consider it dishonest not to disclose this fact
Romulox
Feb 2012
#47
IMHO, some of this raises questions about using DU for commercial promotion. nt
Romulox
Feb 2012
#48
So anyone who uses an electronic device has no business being concerned about the working conditions
Incitatus
Feb 2012
#58
Yes. I imagine you thought this comeback was a real winner. THEN YOU RAN ACROSS ME...
Pholus
Feb 2012
#90
I thought you said I wasn't worth debating with. I'll counter that Walmart sells loads too.
Pholus
Feb 2012
#121
Incidentally, that does prove you ran out of arguments when you resorted to "neener neener" talk.
Pholus
Feb 2012
#122
I appreciate the tactics which were brought to bear to make this happen. Very classy. See #82.
Pholus
Feb 2012
#83
Okay. Let's put this "everybody does it" thing to bed here. It's simply morally repugnant.
Pholus
Feb 2012
#110
Oh yes. People fight hard when desperate. Fundamental tenet of the "cheap labor" movement.
Pholus
Feb 2012
#112
Apple says that you too hold a blacksmith's hammer in the brave new "global economy."
Pholus
Feb 2012
#114
You make no sense. Why would ruining a perfectly functional TV make this better?
Pholus
Feb 2012
#116
Not enough? Too many? Who counts? Just call me an Apple hater; I like it.
cherokeeprogressive
Feb 2012
#80