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kidgie

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88. I would call it stalking and not following.

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 12:46 PM

Jul 2013

I've been followed/stalked before and a I truly felt in imminent danger. A man followed me for a mile , finally made a U turn and parked on the my side of the sidewalk, got out with a shinny object , open the back door of his car and sat there with the door open. I ran like the wind and luckily got away. I truly believe Zimmerman grabbed Trayvon's arm and said " What are you doing here?" causing fear in Martin and triggering a "fight and flight" response. I believe Trayvon had every right to feel threatened. Once Zimmerman got out of his car he threw "self -defense" out the door. What happens when you stick your hand a bee hive? You are going to get stung. Zimmerman had not right to step into Trayvon's personal space and aggressively confront him.

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Wow! It sounds like the JUDGE, not the jury, may have freed Zimmerman. [View all] Kablooie Jul 2013 OP

WOW! is right. That omission in the instructions to the jury is criminal snappyturtle Jul 2013 #1

mis-trial? leftyohiolib Jul 2013 #9

Doesn't work that way... Pelican Jul 2013 #16

So will you be rooting for Dunn this fall? Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #23

I certainly hope... Pelican Jul 2013 #57

Is anyone here surprised by this response? Dunn's not getting justice? Wow! Anansi1171 Jul 2013 #177

There ya go... Pelican Jul 2013 #184

Yup, that's why now that we have confirmation that OJ killed Nicole, he can't be retried tavalon Jul 2013 #174

How do we have confirmation that OJ killed Nicole? loudsue Jul 2013 #235

Last month Kaeto Kailen tavalon Jul 2013 #247

Nope. A verdict of "Not Guilty" ends the matter. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #17

There have been cases legally reopedn and retried Blackford Jul 2013 #45

Yeah, didn't Bernhard Goetz get convicted on his third trial? nt freedom fighter jh Jul 2013 #191

Goetz had one criminal trial. nsd Jul 2013 #249

They could bring you up on a different set of charges. caseymoz Jul 2013 #207

Good thought donnasgirl Jul 2013 #39

The only way a mistrial can be declared is if there is found to be jury misconduct... Spazito Jul 2013 #47

What about this route? Half-Century Man Jul 2013 #87

Won't work ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #96

Too damn bad. Half-Century Man Jul 2013 #103

You can try anything ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #130

He can be tried in a civil court, and he can't take the Fifth. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #196

The Judge's ruling would not be considered judicial misconduct... Spazito Jul 2013 #108

Thanks for the skinny Half-Century Man Jul 2013 #166

You're welcome! n/t Spazito Jul 2013 #167

No, but if the judge committed gross malfeasance she can be totodeinhere Jul 2013 #118

Yes, the instructions required the jury to be mind readers to come up with a "guilty" verdict Warpy Jul 2013 #170

How would the mistrial thing-ee be declared? truedelphi Jul 2013 #251

No, once acquitted, it isn't reversible. X_Digger Jul 2013 #252

Because the judge didn't tell them the legal standard for self defense Warpy Jul 2013 #254

Jimmy's daddy was not a judge naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #253

"That omission in the instructions to the jury is criminal" bvar22 Jul 2013 #206

I wonder if that could be considered a reversible error. 11 Bravo Jul 2013 #2

No naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #5

OJ knows that too PatrynXX Jul 2013 #109

Even if it were anomiep Jul 2013 #61

The judge was in the tank for the prosecution. rl6214 Jul 2013 #3

Which is why the defense won. COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #11

You mispelled "defense" -eom gcomeau Jul 2013 #27

When people donnasgirl Jul 2013 #58

Whoosh... see post 71. -eom gcomeau Jul 2013 #72

My head donnasgirl Jul 2013 #90

I am so sorry for your loss. premium Jul 2013 #100

Thank you donnasgirl Jul 2013 #113

So sorry vankuria Jul 2013 #149

You replied to the wrong post, premium Jul 2013 #151

Oops! vankuria Jul 2013 #211

I'm so sorry about your dog CitizenLeft Jul 2013 #102

Thank you donnasgirl Jul 2013 #114

That's the worst thing about dogs warrant46 Jul 2013 #117

sorry for your loss sending hugs your way skeewee08 Jul 2013 #175

I am sorry for your loss Gothmog Jul 2013 #127

I'm very sorry about your pal. reusrename Jul 2013 #146

I want to thank you all donnasgirl Jul 2013 #180

So sad to hear about your loss.... People need to stop fighting with each other and start midnight Jul 2013 #197

not if colgate is English, Canadian, Australian treestar Jul 2013 #62

They spell defense... gcomeau Jul 2013 #71

eh? SammyWinstonJack Jul 2013 #82

HUH? PSzymeczek Jul 2013 #115

Please explain YarnAddict Jul 2013 #195

Florida seems to have a low conviction rate compared to other large states. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #199

And the prosecution was in the tank for the defense. Anansi1171 Jul 2013 #178

Sounds like a mistrial to me... TheProgressive Jul 2013 #4

Nope. Zimmerman can never be tried for the same crimes again. Lochloosa Jul 2013 #8

I am well aware of double jeopardy. TheProgressive Jul 2013 #10

I'm not sure you know what mistrial means then. ag_dude Jul 2013 #31

Mistrial: A trial rendered invalid through an error in the proceedings. TheProgressive Jul 2013 #40

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #44

There was a time when Duers did not find it necessary to insult fellow posters. TheProgressive Jul 2013 #65

Yes, there was. Igel Jul 2013 #124

Dude, it's okay to be wrong. You can admit it. Dawgs Jul 2013 #75

Exactly - and since this trial can't be rendered invalid by that, there will be no mistrial. n/t whopis01 Jul 2013 #133

Where and how are judges held accountable? marions ghost Jul 2013 #33

The state bar can sanction her. But you are right. It is seldom done. n/t totodeinhere Jul 2013 #121

Yes, she can be sanctioned for it and I hope she is. But that won't totodeinhere Jul 2013 #119

And the problem here is that if our justice system fails us, "Street justice" will happen more... cascadiance Jul 2013 #41

I disagree and I'll tell you why. 60 years ago there never would have been a trail. Lochloosa Jul 2013 #105

+1 n/t LarryNM Jul 2013 #226

Not in Florida. Control-Z Jul 2013 #107

There is a possibility of trying him for violation of TM's civil rights. Lochloosa Jul 2013 #152

There is probably a very, very slim chance that the DoJ will file civil rights charges. premium Jul 2013 #160

Nope, trial is already over premium Jul 2013 #14

I watched the coverage of this case on MSNBC senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #6

That is so messed up! City Lights Jul 2013 #7

Here is the applicable FL statute Lurks Often Jul 2013 #12

Isn't Zimmerman's uncle a judge in Florida who works with that police dept? DonRedwood Jul 2013 #13

No. George Zimmerman’s uncle is a Deputy Sheriff in Orange County, California GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #21

Ah! Thanks for that. I've been telling my friends that his father was truth2power Jul 2013 #76

His daddy was FarPoint Jul 2013 #208

WOW is right.... fadedrose Jul 2013 #15

I said it yesterday nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #18

****BINGO**** The judge ROYALLY SCREWED UP!! Not only that but they weren't allowed to even uponit7771 Jul 2013 #19

I'm telling you JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #24

Prosecution wasn't arguing negligence Morganfleeman Jul 2013 #26

thx uponit7771 Jul 2013 #138

I read that article and it got me to thinking... Spazito Jul 2013 #20

That's not true at all naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #37

No, they did not in terms of evidence, not in terms of testimony... Spazito Jul 2013 #43

so you want them to consider non-evidence? naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #46

It was only non-evidence because the Judge ruled it inadmissible... Spazito Jul 2013 #51

I did read it, naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #55

Yes, in essence, it is. If it is not in the jury instructions on what to consider... Spazito Jul 2013 #60

Betcha JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #22

This is news? We've been discussing that all along, with the relevant statute. X_Digger Jul 2013 #25

Correct Morganfleeman Jul 2013 #38

Well, no, in that case, it would be during the commission of a crime X_Digger Jul 2013 #56

Change the hypothetical to a simple assault onenote Jul 2013 #139

FAIL. Muggers don't ever get a free pass on killing their victims, no matter how hard they fight bac kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #98

2b is relevant, as well. pintobean Jul 2013 #50

Not to open up a can of SYG worms here, but it seems like the language about withdrawl in 2b... JVS Jul 2013 #78

Oops, I didn't see your post before I posted mine. JVS Jul 2013 #73

No worries. X_Digger Jul 2013 #83

o gawd... Whisp Jul 2013 #28

This is true? Xyzse Jul 2013 #29

Because following someone is not a provocation LittleBlue Jul 2013 #30

I would call it stalking and not following. kidgie Jul 2013 #88

The fact that you can call it stalking doesn't mean the judge can ignore the fact onenote Jul 2013 #134

Stalking someone doesn't give you legal right to beat them LittleBlue Jul 2013 #144

If someone is behaving in a menacing manner you have a right to defend yourself. reusrename Jul 2013 #157

We don't know that he behaved in a menacing manner LittleBlue Jul 2013 #159

It's always been this way. reusrename Jul 2013 #169

Following someone does not satisfy the definition of assault LittleBlue Jul 2013 #173

You've repeated exactly what I said in my post. reusrename Jul 2013 #185

The jury didn't think so LittleBlue Jul 2013 #192

Not true. reusrename Jul 2013 #194

You have a right to protect yourself. kidgie Jul 2013 #161

Zimmerman, by his own admission, also negelected to tell Martin he was neighborhood watch SirRevolutionary Jul 2013 #164

Trayvon did not know Zim was armed LittleBlue Jul 2013 #176

How is it not realistic? It is not unheard of a person trying to get the weapon out somebodies hand. kidgie Jul 2013 #181

The prosecution had a year and a half to prove. clffrdjk Jul 2013 #201

The only one person that could answer that is dead. kidgie Jul 2013 #213

I don't have any evidence clffrdjk Jul 2013 #217

The prosecution was a big failure. kidgie Jul 2013 #223

Your sentences are out of sync. Stalker and Stalkee are being confused. Tigress DEM Jul 2013 #233

This message was self-deleted by its author proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #162

The people claiming following isn't a provocation JoeyT Jul 2013 #183

Not true Chico Man Jul 2013 #186

so if someone targeted, stalked and killed one of your loved ones Skittles Jul 2013 #202

The fact that the jury CHOSE to accept those terms means they're STOOPID. valerief Jul 2013 #32

I would not go that far. It is not reasonable to expect the jury to understand the complicated totodeinhere Jul 2013 #122

No. The buck stops with the jury. It's time we took responsibility for our criminal legislators shit valerief Jul 2013 #172

"Florida law states..." jmg257 Jul 2013 #34

That comes from the article. I haven't checked it out myself otherwise. Kablooie Jul 2013 #48

Figured that. Someone already posted this above: jmg257 Jul 2013 #63

Prosecution and Defense spent a full day arguing over the jury instructions. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #35

No, the prosecution tried to get that in the instructions. X_Digger Jul 2013 #66

Prosecution can't require ctaylors6 Jul 2013 #68

So what you are explaining is that Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #79

What is and isn't included in jury instructions are argued by both sides. X_Digger Jul 2013 #86

Not at all ctaylors6 Jul 2013 #99

I am just really surprised that something codified Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #188

She also garbled on about Stand Your Ground. mzmolly Jul 2013 #36

Had nothing to do with the stand your ground statute. Morganfleeman Jul 2013 #42

SYG was used by Zimmerman at the beginning to attempt to avoid prosecution. Kablooie Jul 2013 #49

SYG law was included in the jury instructions rollin74 Jul 2013 #81

the so-called stand your ground statute Florida 776.013(3) was read word-for-word to the jury rollin74 Jul 2013 #74

Link? mzmolly Jul 2013 #135

Actual Florida Code wercal Jul 2013 #52

not sure what difference that makes hfojvt Jul 2013 #53

That would be for the Jury to decide. The fact it was decided by the judge doesn't seem appropriate. Kablooie Jul 2013 #69

The judge is ctaylors6 Jul 2013 #85

The judge was wrong John2 Jul 2013 #136

It would be for the jury to decide only if the prosecution had made an attempt to show it. onenote Jul 2013 #141

Much like many DUers will always be convinced he was ethically right to shoot an unarmed man, LanternWaste Jul 2013 #93

I don't know how John2 Jul 2013 #120

Only if you can prove that the Jets don't suck. meaculpa2011 Jul 2013 #123

This is what I've been trying to tell people. It was the judge who commanded that Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #54

I don't think it was the prosecution's entire case. onenote Jul 2013 #147

I don't think you explained very well. The prosecution seemed to be arguing Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #158

If that is what the prosecution was arguing then they deserved to lose the motion onenote Jul 2013 #168

Maybe they did deserved to lose, but Zimmerman deserves to be behind bars. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #171

Hopefully Holder/DoJ will ride into town on this horse? 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #59

The DOJ might be able to bring civil rights violation charges or a hate crime charge. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #125

Why can't the prosecution file an appeal, to FL Supremes? 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #132

The law does not allow the appeal of a not guilty verdict. That verdict is final totodeinhere Jul 2013 #140

Oops. nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #143

After reading that link, I recall that exact moment when the Judge said that Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #64

I hope the Federal investigation will sort this out. Baitball Blogger Jul 2013 #67

Interesting, but if what she's referring to is section 776.041 of defense law, then she is making.. JVS Jul 2013 #70

Stop trying John2 Jul 2013 #91

Who is right: Burke's article, the blog she links to, or the FL website where the law is written? JVS Jul 2013 #101

I read the John2 Jul 2013 #106

You have not correctly described the standard for what it would take for Zimmerman to have been onenote Jul 2013 #150

I thought I followed the trial pretty closely... Bay Boy Jul 2013 #200

We can't know the details TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #221

It's obvious to all ( I hope) Bay Boy Jul 2013 #237

Not according to Rachel or common sense TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #238

Why assume that? sofa king Jul 2013 #241

That's the first I've heard of the GPS data... Bay Boy Jul 2013 #242

GPS probably cannot be shut off, either. sofa king Jul 2013 #243

It could have been lost Bay Boy Jul 2013 #244

Highly unlikely. sofa king Jul 2013 #245

Who are they protecting? Bay Boy Jul 2013 #246

They protected a judge's son. sofa king Jul 2013 #255

Oh come on... Bay Boy Jul 2013 #256

Unless he ain't. sofa king Jul 2013 #257

So you think this 'meter maid' was part of Bay Boy Jul 2013 #258

And yet everything broke his way. sofa king Jul 2013 #260

AYFKM? live love laugh Jul 2013 #77

By hook or crook, I believe that Martin was lynched. nt ladjf Jul 2013 #80

since the first sentence is a falsehood I quickly lost interest cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #84

My first thought was yellerpup Jul 2013 #89

Does anyone think that the fact that Zimmerman's dad was a judge has anything to do with this? Matariki Jul 2013 #92

I don't know how many times this has to be said, premium Jul 2013 #110

Perhaps you need to clearly define your terms then Matariki Jul 2013 #126

Here is a link. premium Jul 2013 #129

Correct. onenote Jul 2013 #154

Is anyone else disturbed by the number of DUers who claim to know enough about this case onenote Jul 2013 #153

I'm disturbed by the lack of awareness of how racism makes injustice like this possible Matariki Jul 2013 #190

I always thought something must be missing AndyA Jul 2013 #94

I think that is the bottom line. To me it does not matter glinda Jul 2013 #203

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Jul 2013 #95

Are judges appointed or voted for in Florida? avebury Jul 2013 #97

It varies, but this one is in an elected position. Her term is up 2019. Long wait. n/t whopis01 Jul 2013 #142

When the rule of law is a joke... sofa king Jul 2013 #104

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #218

I am clearly being inflammatory above.... sofa king Jul 2013 #222

I Have Posted Elsewhere DallasNE Jul 2013 #111

Why is it so hard to picture the State wanted to let him go? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #112

^^^^^THIS Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #248

Everyone of John2 Jul 2013 #116

I'm not so sure it was entirely the judge's fault Major Nikon Jul 2013 #128

Thom Hartman is addressing this on his show right now. nt rdharma Jul 2013 #131

YES! and doing a GREAT job. syg WAS... WAS involved in the Jury instructions!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #137

Yes he is, premium Jul 2013 #145

The feds'll put a note in her file. sofa king Jul 2013 #239

This message was self-deleted by its author Lint Head Jul 2013 #148

You seriously don't understand the law. Seriously. onenote Jul 2013 #155

No he can't. premium Jul 2013 #165

But the Dept of Justice CAN (and hopefully WILL SOON)... bvar22 Jul 2013 #209

The DoJ would then have to dispute it's own FBI investigation. premium Jul 2013 #212

Sounds like the whole case vankuria Jul 2013 #156

If this is correct, a judge in Florida needs to be disbarred. perdita9 Jul 2013 #163

That clause is misleading taken out of context... PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #179

I think we should all take heed.... defacto7 Jul 2013 #182

That is what the NRA wanted. "Street justice/citizen cops". glinda Jul 2013 #204

That is Sickening. Justice4Trayvon didn't have a chance Cha Jul 2013 #187

Can't believe this person is supposed to be a law professor. dkf Jul 2013 #189

There was something 'funny' about this whole trial. matthews Jul 2013 #193

Yes...it was "fiction" and "advertising" broadcasted on Major Networks. glinda Jul 2013 #205

This message was self-deleted by its author davidn3600 Jul 2013 #198

Agreed. If ever there was a case of provocation, this was it. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #210

I doubt that it made that much of a difference customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #214

When the judge allowed a minimal amount of weed in Trayvon's system to be introduced in indepat Jul 2013 #215

Its just the law... The Prosecution can't claim that Zimmerman's legal actions were provocation Taitertots Jul 2013 #216

CROOKED blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #219

I'm glad someone posted this davidpdx Jul 2013 #220

Are you kidding me? truedelphi Jul 2013 #224

That trial was a sick joke. NealK Jul 2013 #225

That's really fucked up. Judge cherry picks the law for the defendant. gtar100 Jul 2013 #227

A lot of judges, they just plain suck at their job. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #228

But was that point EVER brought out by the prosecution? AngryOldDem Jul 2013 #229

Not that it will make a difference to the close minded among us, but Soundman Jul 2013 #230

Hi MichaelKelley Jul 2013 #231

It wouldn't matter anyway Gman Jul 2013 #232

HERE IS THE ACTION STEP - IMPEACH the JUDGE for violating the Code of Judicial Conduct Tigress DEM Jul 2013 #234

He? At least you should know something about the trial before posting. LisaL Jul 2013 #236

Yeah, I saw "Nelson" and I thought male. I don't watch TV. Tigress DEM Jul 2013 #250

She had me fooled apples and oranges Jul 2013 #240

Fuck Florida. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #259