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sulphurdunn

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73. There should be no camps.

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 03:04 PM

Jul 2013

Snowden is either a legitimate whistle blower or he is not. So, long as the government hunts him as public enemy #1 there will be no chance of finding out. He should be invited home under immunity as an asylum seeker to testify before Congress.

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Snowden Stuck It to the Overclass - For All of Us [View all] warrprayer Jul 2013 OP

du rec. xchrom Jul 2013 #1

No one needs to read any opinion about Snowden. randome Jul 2013 #2

take the time warrprayer Jul 2013 #3

Okay atreides1 Jul 2013 #9

I am grateful warrprayer Jul 2013 #16

Snowden worked for a living. In my universe, that makes him a member HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #11

So anyone in management is automatically our enemy? randome Jul 2013 #18

Do you disagree that Snowden worked for his living (as opposed to living HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #20

Yeah, about that title. Snowden didn't do shit for anyone but himself. randome Jul 2013 #22

Yes or No: Is Snowden a worker? HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #24

He was a worker. Now he's a runner. randome Jul 2013 #25

OK, now we've established Snowden's relationship to HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #26

The interests of the global working class are not uniform. randome Jul 2013 #28

I am an 'internationalist'. We internationalists look askance at skeezy HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #32

Neither. He has no evidence. randome Jul 2013 #34

OK, I'm going to say that I think your tactics are a bit underhanded (without HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #37

I think you should "ignore" Randome. xtraxritical Jul 2013 #39

I'm only going by what Der Speigel says. However, you can't believe everything you read. randome Jul 2013 #43

Then the search for facts should take place sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #65

He certainly has national security secrets. randome Jul 2013 #72

He has denied revealing any state secrets sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #83

Nearly every criminal pleads 'Innocent'. He stole documents and he is wanted by the authorities. randome Jul 2013 #85

Several whistleblowers have testified that they could pull information on anyone's phone numbers. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #81

I can't give too much credence to Tice. randome Jul 2013 #84

That they collect the metadata is enough to permit them to tag anyone who dissens in any way. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #94

It's not likely that anyone at the installation in Hawaii could access the domestic metadata. bornskeptic Jul 2013 #121

The metadata collection has been ruled legal for decades. randome Jul 2013 #87

The courts have never considered this kind of mass collection of metadata including metadata JDPriestly Jul 2013 #93

he was not wrong about direct access questionseverything Jul 2013 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author bvar22 Jul 2013 #35

Ah the new packaging... Half-Century Man Jul 2013 #50

FYI: It's 'rentier' (not 'renter'), a term borrowed from the classical economics of HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #59

No. I think we have a misunderstanding. Half-Century Man Jul 2013 #119

And now it is I who owe you an apology for imputing red-baiting HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #123

Great movie bro! warrprayer Jul 2013 #103

+1000 liberal N proud Jul 2013 #29

Thanks! randome Jul 2013 #58

There should be no camps. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #73

Who is hunting him? His passport was revoked. Harsh, right? randome Jul 2013 #75

The US had the plane sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #89

The Bolvian plane incident will never be clear enough to satisfy anyone. randome Jul 2013 #91

And if his a criminal and gave away secret information? liberal N proud Jul 2013 #118

Again, what specific evidence do you need to be persuaded, and which claims does he not JDPriestly Jul 2013 #78

Posts #34 & 64. randome Jul 2013 #80

See my Post #81 for an explanation. The evidence he has given us is enough if you have the JDPriestly Jul 2013 #82

He isn't comparing labor to management. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #63

The NSA was Snowden's employer. randome Jul 2013 #66

Yours is a common conception. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #69

Governed by a collective of individuals. randome Jul 2013 #74

I hope so too, but doubt it. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #86

I don't know how to fix that, though. randome Jul 2013 #88

While I agree with you sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #62

While I'd like to fashion myself a member of the 'intelligentsia,' I too HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #90

I've been having other discussions sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #97

'And he still has no evidence of his claims. ' markiv Jul 2013 #44

Waiting for the evidence. randome Jul 2013 #46

that's better nt markiv Jul 2013 #48

What constitutes evidence of his claims? sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #61

He claimed he could spy on anyone if he only had an email address. randome Jul 2013 #64

Then the truth should come out sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #67

His motive is to be a hero. I think it's obvious. randome Jul 2013 #79

That may be so, but sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #92

Not really. I need to get other stuff done. randome Jul 2013 #95

OK, thanks sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #98

What evidence do you need? Specifically, what evidence would you need to believe his claims? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #68

Post #64. randome Jul 2013 #77

the legend of snowden is in his own mind and those who kneel at the Cha Jul 2013 #100

Could I have a link on the death of Steve Kangas along with any evidence that Scaife had him rubbed el_bryanto Jul 2013 #4

purely speculation warrprayer Jul 2013 #5

If it is speculation, boy is it hilarious that in the same sentence that you make your unfounded el_bryanto Jul 2013 #7

A closed mind is certain. bahrbearian Jul 2013 #10

I open my mind to evidence; if you have any, I'll happily read it. If you don't have any, el_bryanto Jul 2013 #12

it's my OPINION warrprayer Jul 2013 #14

I'm not defending Scaife, and it's low that you would suggest that el_bryanto Jul 2013 #19

So , do you beleive in "Magic Bullets" , that will shut down CT's right? bahrbearian Jul 2013 #21

I don't understand what you are referring to here el_bryanto Jul 2013 #23

"A closed mind is certain" siligut Jul 2013 #36

Good Read bahrbearian Jul 2013 #6

Waaay ahead of it's time warrprayer Jul 2013 #8

More to thank Scaife for!!! warrprayer Jul 2013 #13

CIA forerunner agency was OSS -- Oh So Social! Octafish Jul 2013 #15

gotta run - I will be back later warrprayer Jul 2013 #17

Great post, octafish. Thanks. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #53

K&R Americans have preferred fantasy to reality for a long time. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #27

I suppose if the US materialized from nowhere in the 1970"s Progressive dog Jul 2013 #30

And let us not forget the Powell Memorandum that kicked the whole thing off. GliderGuider Jul 2013 #31

Snowden seems to have defenders of the upper class JEB Jul 2013 #33

LOL warrprayer Jul 2013 #104

The most important statement in the OP watoos Jul 2013 #38

Maybe it won't stop them. wtmusic Jul 2013 #49

agree 100% warrprayer Jul 2013 #114

Thank You For Sharing This Information cantbeserious Jul 2013 #40

That was well worth the time to read. CrispyQ Jul 2013 #41

Yup, that jumped at me too nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #117

Snowden should explain all that at his trial. nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #42

like Chimpy, Cheney and Rove did at theirs? warrprayer Jul 2013 #101

. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #45

He did, and I am glad he did it. History will show that he is a hero. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #47

k&r for right action. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #51

Please he isn't even in an avenger class. Historic NY Jul 2013 #52

Looks like Mr Hero, who said he would 'die for America' railsback Jul 2013 #54

Kangas' "Origins of the Overclass" looks like a rambling rant struggle4progress Jul 2013 #55

What, too many words? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #56

"whoa dude we need a revolution against the machine but right now i got a badass case of munchies" struggle4progress Jul 2013 #60

Steve Kangas warrprayer Jul 2013 #106

very probably not. kangas died in 1999. much of the stuff he mentions in his struggle4progress Jul 2013 #120

if memory serves warrprayer Jul 2013 #126

I lived in Pennsylvania for much of the 80s and in my circles everybody knew Scaife was a dirtbag struggle4progress Jul 2013 #129

I lived in Pgh the first 29 years warrprayer Jul 2013 #130

your posts are more babble than that HiPointDem Jul 2013 #71

the ignore feature is easy to use if you need it: struggle4progress Jul 2013 #76

Thanks warrprayer and one name that has reared it's ugly head over and over again Cleita Jul 2013 #57

this is the guy Scaife hired warrprayer Jul 2013 #105

krecc'd Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #70

And if he starts World War III with his irresponsible behavior? moondust Jul 2013 #99

Now this is a nice exaggeration nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #102

Hi Nadin! warrprayer Jul 2013 #107

I know...it is no longer surprising nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #109

Most D.U.ers warrprayer Jul 2013 #110

Exactly nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #115

this is for you warrprayer Jul 2013 #131

Thanks nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #132

what if our fear warrprayer Jul 2013 #108

Right. moondust Jul 2013 #111

... warrprayer Jul 2013 #112

as I said in the op warrprayer Jul 2013 #113

After george bush engaged the country in aggressive war nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #116

We have already started WWIII. It was Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia. truedelphi Jul 2013 #122

All of the points in Kangas' piece are well documented. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #124

if memory serves warrprayer Jul 2013 #125

Yes, I agree. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #127

Oh I understand warrprayer Jul 2013 #128