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99. Thank you for a well reasoned level headed analysis

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 03:43 PM

Jul 2013

I did not follow the trial, only listen to analyses in the news and in sympathetic venue like MSNBC.

And it was clear that the prosecution had a weak plan. Many of its own witnesses turned out to help the defense. And it was clear that he defense had a stronger presentation. Add to this Florida's law, and the odds of conviction were getting weaker and weaker, as was evident even on the pages of DU.

The reality of our criminal system is that the prosecution has to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the defendant committed a crime and, as the defense team demonstrated, it did not.

This does not mean that Zimmerman is an innocent angelic boy. But this is our system. Did people here and in the streets wanted the jury to ignore the presentation? like the jury at the Simpson trial? And, oh, I don't remember protests and streets closing after the Simpson trial.

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Why Zimmerman was aquitted [View all] davidn3600 Jul 2013 OP

The fact that he followed Trayvon Martin should have been enough to assume he was the attacker... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #1

If you ignored the law, then yes Riftaxe Jul 2013 #25

Zimmerman is not a credible witness, being a liar and a man with a history of violence... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #49

Why was the girl friend illiterate? Because English was not her primary language? LiberalFighter Jul 2013 #86

Convictions are not based on assumptions. rug Jul 2013 #33

Yes they are, all the effing time... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #50

No they're not, not by a longshot. rug Jul 2013 #51

All I know is that usually when you shoot and kill someone Rex Jul 2013 #2

+1. That it wasn't in this case until the public forced the issue is Clue 1. That the police HiPointDem Jul 2013 #13

+1 Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #81

Probably why the blacks in their neighborhood don't trust the police. LiberalFighter Jul 2013 #87

Yeah we have leaped over that fact underpants Jul 2013 #43

Not when you protect your home - in all states question everything Jul 2013 #94

But this wasn't about protecting a home now was it? Rex Jul 2013 #100

Well, remember, this is DU... Scootaloo Jul 2013 #103

The "Gun Control & RKBA" forum has not been axed. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #107

No, it's slender-brush insulting of some DU'ers with a specific set of beliefs Scootaloo Jul 2013 #111

Of course not. This is why Florida and other states enacted the law question everything Jul 2013 #105

And usually the police will do a criminal investigation Rex Jul 2013 #108

All of your explanations are moot... madinmaryland Jul 2013 #3

As another poster pointed out... beevul Jul 2013 #8

the NRA influences more than just repukes Skittles Jul 2013 #14

And that goes for laws passed in 1974? N/T beevul Jul 2013 #16

the NRA goes back over a century Skittles Jul 2013 #18

Are you asserting that the nra is responsible for this law passed in 1974 by a Democrat? beevul Jul 2013 #20

the NRA has SICKENED America for DECADES Skittles Jul 2013 #21

So no proof then. Ok. N/T beevul Jul 2013 #22

I don't know of any "gun humpers" rl6214 Jul 2013 #72

This term 'Gun Humpers' Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #79

That is bullshit. It was passed in 2005. LiberalFighter Jul 2013 #89

To which law do you refer? beevul Jul 2013 #90

SYG LiberalFighter Jul 2013 #92

Alec and the NRA helped pass the law in fla. 4 more years Jul 2013 #106

I don't know why you needed to tell me that. LiberalFighter Jul 2013 #110

The subject of this thread is why zimmerman was aquitted. beevul Jul 2013 #112

This was a straight forward self defense case not a stand your ground case. ... spin Jul 2013 #29

Even harder to try to retreat when you are a bigot with a gun. Hoyt Jul 2013 #38

Prove he was a bigot rl6214 Jul 2013 #73

Yep, doesn't take much to figure it out if you are open to it. Most gun nuts aren't, especially the Hoyt Jul 2013 #76

Who's creeping out of the gungeon? rl6214 Jul 2013 #77

Badge of distinction. And I was booted for saying "most gun cultists are bigots." Hoyt Jul 2013 #78

Again, a statement you have no proof of but you love throwing it out there. rl6214 Jul 2013 #80

Hell, you guys make statements of all the threats you face and why you carry guns or keep a cache at Hoyt Jul 2013 #84

Yes, my guns are loaded, they are useless if they aren't rl6214 Jul 2013 #88

No. You were booted for... beevul Jul 2013 #113

"... is the fear someone is going to kill you enough to justify it?" Jenoch Jul 2013 #4

go away HiPointDem Jul 2013 #15

so Trayvon should have killed Zimmerman Skittles Jul 2013 #23

The law probably only applies to white people. B Calm Jul 2013 #30

Exactly. Hoyt Jul 2013 #39

Can you prove he was in fear for his life? rl6214 Jul 2013 #74

I believe the one being stalked by a gun-toting vigilante was the one in fear for his life Skittles Jul 2013 #93

He was not being stalked rl6214 Jul 2013 #97

done here Skittles Jul 2013 #98

No, he had privately bought lawyers Nevernose Jul 2013 #5

A poor person should never have to face the resources of the state with both hands tied behind TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #64

The woman in your scenario... Daalalou Jul 2013 #6

And like I said, it's very possible Zimmerman was the attacker davidn3600 Jul 2013 #10

there's no particular evidence that trayvon attacked zimmy except the liar & stalker's say-so. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #17

You are believing the report that was proven wrong. rl6214 Jul 2013 #75

believing my own ears HiPointDem Jul 2013 #82

Yup, as opposed to attorneys on both sides and the FBI rl6214 Jul 2013 #83

yup. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #85

you're being stalked by a gun-toting CREEP for no reason Skittles Jul 2013 #19

Yeah, you're right...you have a point. I wont argue that. davidn3600 Jul 2013 #27

The issue was jmg257 Jul 2013 #44

NO EVIDENCE that Trayvon attacked Z - but evidence to the contrary. MH1 Jul 2013 #46

??? IL Lib Jul 2013 #67

I'm done. I'm tired of hearing why the law states why Zimmerman had to go free. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #7

oh and the NRA has nothing to do with it either!!! Skittles Jul 2013 #24

Most of them are gun nuts who can see themselves in Zimmerman's position, having shot an unarmed Hoyt Jul 2013 #40

The funny thing is, I don't understand how any normal, reasonable, decent person MH1 Jul 2013 #47

I used to believe that. While some are trolls, there are still some bigot gun nuts in Democratic Hoyt Jul 2013 #56

Not just "see" themselves in Zimbo's place, bvar22 Jul 2013 #58

+1 Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #57

I have always wondered... defacto7 Jul 2013 #9

"Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat." rug Jul 2013 #36

Thanks for the reply Rug, defacto7 Jul 2013 #61

There is no reason to think prosecutors have to high a hill to climb TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #65

I think you are reading a lot into my statement that wasn't there. defacto7 Jul 2013 #66

Just because you don't take something to its logical conclusion doesn't mean the conclusion TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #70

Zimmerman is a gutless coward whose story would have been TORN TO SHREDS Skittles Jul 2013 #11

which only proves KT2000 Jul 2013 #12

Zimmerman made the 911 call. TM99 Jul 2013 #26

So why was Trevor Dooley convicted of manslaughter exboyfil Jul 2013 #28

you got it backwards... TM was being followed and potentially being attacked.. DCBob Jul 2013 #31

Zimmerman Zupporters READ THIS Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #32

Minor irrelevant point tabasco Jul 2013 #45

And I thought the brownshirts were the precursor to the SS Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #60

In your scenario Dorian Gray Jul 2013 #34

exactly.. the woman had every right to blow the guys head off. DCBob Jul 2013 #37

Agree 100% Dorian Gray Jul 2013 #114

So there can be no prosecution if the person who started the fight kills the other guy? RBInMaine Jul 2013 #35

"no duty to flee" HockeyMom Jul 2013 #41

Gunshine State underpants Jul 2013 #42

Without going into detail and arguing about all this ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #48

Seriously! Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #109

The woman could be shot under stand your ground. Evergreen Emerald Jul 2013 #52

Zimmerman was acquitted because Jawja Jul 2013 #53

^^this^^ rucky Jul 2013 #55

I think you should know how to spell acquitted malaise Jul 2013 #54

Glaring problems with your analogy.... PA Democrat Jul 2013 #59

+1 n/t IL Lib Jul 2013 #69

I have seen several posts... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #62

I couldn't disagree more Bragi Jul 2013 #63

Because children of color mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #68

So "legally," how does Martin NOT get killed on the night in question? Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #71

Call 911, NOT his girl-friend, for starters. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #91

I get it, but of course if you're being followed by a crazy man Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #95

He didn't call her, he was already on the phone with her. Nine Jul 2013 #96

I responded to the question of what could he do? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #101

I stand by my post. (nt) Nine Jul 2013 #102

So instead of discussing rationally, you choose to insult. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #104

Thank you for a well reasoned level headed analysis question everything Jul 2013 #99