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natrlron

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Sat Feb 18, 2012, 03:30 PM Feb 2012

You Say You Believe in the Bible? [View all]

I think that if someone believes in the Bible as God’s word and thus infallible, then you need to treat everything in the Bible in the same manner, following all of His instructions. You can’t pick and choose which rules you want to follow and which ones you deem outmoded or not appropriate for the times because that would make it your Bible, not God’s.

The Catholic Church, Evangelicals, and others on the Right use the Bible to argue that homosexuality is a sin, indeed an “abomination,” and thus should be outlawed and not given any support or recognition by society or government. While the lesson of many of the passages often cited by opponents (for example, Sodom and Gomorrah) have nothing to do with homosexuality (in the case of S&G, it is about violence and inhospitality), there are without question two passages that directly speak to the issue of male to male sex (although the Bible puts it more quaintly, the point is clear).

In Leviticus 18:22, male to male sex is termed an “abomination.” Leviticus 20:13 goes further and says that those engaging in male to male sex “shall surely be put to death.” Pretty strong words, no doubt.

But let’s put these sections in context. The Bible terms more than 60 things an abomination. Included are: lying (Proverbs 12:22), eating food that isn’t kosher (Leviticus 11), a proud look (Proverbs 6:16), the proud of heart (Proverbs 16;5), adultery (Ezekiel 18:6-13), lying with a menstruating woman (Ezekiel 18:6-13), and what is highly esteemed among men (Luke 16:15). With the exception of adultery, no one on the Right would argue that these acts be outlawed or termed a serious sin (with the exception of the Jewish ultra-orthodox … they are consistent).

But, someone on the Right may say, these other acts don’t carry with them a death penalty; we may not believe such sanctions are appropriate in this modern age, but surely that signifies the seriousness of the sin and sets it apart. Sorry, but that doesn’t work either.

The Bible says that anyone who curses his father or mother should be put to death (Leviticus 20 ) and that a man and woman who commit adultery should be put to death (Leviticus 20:10.) In Exodus 35:2, it says that anyone who works on the Sabbath shall be put to death. Again, with the exception noted above, I doubt that there are many people, regardless how far Right, who would say that people who curse their parents or work on the Sabbath are guilty of a serious sin that should have legal consequences.

So unless those who foam at the mouth about homosexuality being an abomination are willing to have all the other abominations and death-sanctioned acts treated in the same way … ostracized from society, criminalized, and with no support or protection from government … then I say that they should take their Bibles and their picket signs (“God Hates Fags”) and go home and do some serious spiritual meditation on what they believe.

For more on this and other issues, see my blog, http://PreservingAmericanGreatness.blogspot.com

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Very much along the same lines is this letter The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2012 #1
F...ing hilarious. russspeakeasy Feb 2012 #3
Sounds like Jeb Bartlett in a great West Wing episode!!! elleng Feb 2012 #4
I love it! natrlron Feb 2012 #27
"The bible is a book with some beautiful poetry, a blood stained history, a wealth of obscenity and Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #2
^ Twain is so often forgotten ^ Mimosa Feb 2012 #33
Jesus was gay. Vattel Feb 2012 #5
...and don't even get me started on shellfish! bhikkhu Feb 2012 #6
If I understand correctly Christ came to release raouldukelives Feb 2012 #7
Christians are followers Jesus Christ as presented in the New Testament. The Old nanabugg Feb 2012 #13
Matthew 5:18 "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away..." The Genealogist Feb 2012 #24
It may very well be I'm incorrect raouldukelives Feb 2012 #25
What bothers me the most about the people who read the Bible "literally" is that they WCGreen Feb 2012 #8
I agree with you WC madokie Feb 2012 #11
I'm going to lock this tkmorris Feb 2012 #9
I unlocked it tkmorris Feb 2012 #10
In the New Testament, Jesus said nothing against gay people. Paul did. Paul also said Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #12
You can't follow the instructions in the bible because they all contradict each other. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2012 #14
You are taking the Bible too literally. Which is what a lot of the far right does. Zax2me Feb 2012 #15
I'm pointing this out to Christians. These are facts. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2012 #16
I'm not destroying true meaning. just pointing out contradictions. Just two examples. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2012 #18
The "true meaning intended" was always to control and manipulate other people Major Nikon Feb 2012 #19
Tell me what is the true meaning of this? Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2012 #20
There is no reasoning with people who believe this way Major Nikon Feb 2012 #17
I agree but don't agree natrlron Feb 2012 #21
I'm referring to those who take extreme positions Major Nikon Feb 2012 #23
The Catholic Church does NOT believe the Bible is infallible. Drahthaardogs Feb 2012 #22
Right. I don't believe the Catholic church has any kind of 'bible study' in its 'curriculum'. trof Feb 2012 #29
I believe that the Bible exists... MrScorpio Feb 2012 #26
The 613 Commandments pokerfan Feb 2012 #28
Bible: Interpretation is the problem colinx Feb 2012 #30
Catholics are fine with gays as long as they are celibate. Or so they say. immoderate Feb 2012 #34
when I worked in Jesuit college.. colinx Feb 2012 #36
Sounds like they weren't celibate. immoderate Feb 2012 #37
Then again.... colinx Feb 2012 #38
The Bible.. sendero Feb 2012 #31
Here is my favorite commentary on the bible Fortran Feb 2012 #32
I most absolutely DO believe in The Bible. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #35
It is not that simple. Believe in the constitution? How about that 2nd Amendment... The Straight Story Feb 2012 #39
So people need to jump through your hoops vs somene elses in order to justify their beliefs? Skip Intro Feb 2012 #40
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