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In reply to the discussion: Union Letter: Obamacare Will ‘Destroy The Very Health and Wellbeing’ of Workers [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)33. Unions are opposed to anything
that appears to work against employer-based health care coverage.
Remember Senator Wyden's Employee Free Choice Act? Unions opposed it for that very reason.
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So Wyden crafted a plan that would offer an escape hatchif an employers insurance was too costly for a family, they could take the money their employer would have spent on insurance for them and shop in the new state exchanges that will show up in 2014. There they might find something cheaper and perhaps more comprehensive. Despite opposition from businesses, Wydens Free Choice Voucher plan made it into the final bill. Its life was short, however. When Congress hammered out the budget package a couple of weeks ago, Free Choice Vouchers were gonea victim of strong-armed lobbying from both business and labor.
Hurrah for The New York Timess Eric Lichtblau for telling us what happened. The American Benefits Council, a lobbying group for insurers and employers, didnt like the choice plan because it would have a destabilizing impact on employer insurance. Unions said vouchers would create a death spiral of higher costs. A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner said the program was eliminated because it costs jobsand jobs are the American peoples top priority. Its hard to see how giving workers a shot at cheaper coverage is a job killer, but then in Washington speak sometimes nothing makes sense.
Wyden told the Times that the ultra-powerful Business Roundtable probably killed the vouchers. Everyone knows the Business Roundtable wanted this killed, and now they can go back with a trophy to say they protected business as usual, he said. According to Wyden, the Congressional Budget Office said there were no implications for the federal budget since the only money changing hands comes from employees making use of the employer health care subsidy, which is already part of their compensation package.
Whats really the problem? Writing at the Huffington Post, Wyden noted that if employer premiums continued to rise, more and more Americans would have become eligible for this option and more choice and competition would have been injected into the health insurance market. Not every employer likes this idea that Americans might be able to get good health insurance outside of their job or union. In other words, letting people out of employer plans might undermine the clout of employers and the unions in the health care biz.
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http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/chipping_away_at_health_reform_part_ii.php?page=all&print=true
So Wyden crafted a plan that would offer an escape hatchif an employers insurance was too costly for a family, they could take the money their employer would have spent on insurance for them and shop in the new state exchanges that will show up in 2014. There they might find something cheaper and perhaps more comprehensive. Despite opposition from businesses, Wydens Free Choice Voucher plan made it into the final bill. Its life was short, however. When Congress hammered out the budget package a couple of weeks ago, Free Choice Vouchers were gonea victim of strong-armed lobbying from both business and labor.
Hurrah for The New York Timess Eric Lichtblau for telling us what happened. The American Benefits Council, a lobbying group for insurers and employers, didnt like the choice plan because it would have a destabilizing impact on employer insurance. Unions said vouchers would create a death spiral of higher costs. A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner said the program was eliminated because it costs jobsand jobs are the American peoples top priority. Its hard to see how giving workers a shot at cheaper coverage is a job killer, but then in Washington speak sometimes nothing makes sense.
Wyden told the Times that the ultra-powerful Business Roundtable probably killed the vouchers. Everyone knows the Business Roundtable wanted this killed, and now they can go back with a trophy to say they protected business as usual, he said. According to Wyden, the Congressional Budget Office said there were no implications for the federal budget since the only money changing hands comes from employees making use of the employer health care subsidy, which is already part of their compensation package.
Whats really the problem? Writing at the Huffington Post, Wyden noted that if employer premiums continued to rise, more and more Americans would have become eligible for this option and more choice and competition would have been injected into the health insurance market. Not every employer likes this idea that Americans might be able to get good health insurance outside of their job or union. In other words, letting people out of employer plans might undermine the clout of employers and the unions in the health care biz.
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http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/chipping_away_at_health_reform_part_ii.php?page=all&print=true
Health Reforms Missing Ingredient
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/17/opinion/17wyden.html?_r=0
So Much for Choice and Competition
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sen-ron-wyden/so-much-for-choice-and-co_b_847080.html
Unions don't like the delay because they see it as weakening the the employer-employee health care contract.
Of course, those who want more people to have access to the exchanges, see this as an opportunity to strengthen them and give employees more choice.
Howard Dean: Mandate Delay Begins Shift To Government-Financed Health Care System
http://election.democraticunderground.com/10023162211
HHS Ruling Helps Workers But Spells Trouble for Employer Mandate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023207327
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Union Letter: Obamacare Will ‘Destroy The Very Health and Wellbeing’ of Workers [View all]
dkf
Jul 2013
OP
Uh huh. Cool story! Yet all my Canadian friends are very pleased with their system.
uppityperson
Aug 2013
#178
the unions need to separate themselves from the democratic party and form a labor party
leftyohiolib
Jul 2013
#12
Do you know what people in other developed countries call those "Cadillac" plans?
eridani
Jul 2013
#112
Do you know what people in the rest of the developed world call those "gold-plated" plans?
eridani
Jul 2013
#113
Every other developed country citizen gets the equivalent of our "wealthy" plans
eridani
Jul 2013
#142
No other country has parasitic insurance companies gouging obscene profits
Jackpine Radical
Jul 2013
#152
Can't have the Insurance Industry Subsidy Act accidentally helping non-profit plans...
a2liberal
Jul 2013
#17
Oh, those stupid stupid Union people. Don't they know that the ACA is perfect in every way?
Safetykitten
Jul 2013
#23
Thank you. That's been my point for a while. The ACA is not just a diversion from the
Nay
Jul 2013
#162
As my out of pocket expenses spiral ever upward I'll take solace in what you wrote.
pa28
Aug 2013
#194
It's sure not gonna hurt MY life. Access to healthcare via decent insurance
kestrel91316
Jul 2013
#52
Exactly. When are we going to wise up? I'm beyond disgusted, into fire-breathing territory. nt
Nay
Jul 2013
#165
Case by case basis...sometimes unions overreach and sometimes their issues are completely legitimate
dkf
Jul 2013
#147
Union bashing in half the responses on a supposedly Democratic website. Astonishing.
1-Old-Man
Jul 2013
#136
Obama to Union: $orry, I'm too busy cajoling Repugs to accept chained CPI to read your letter.
MotherPetrie
Jul 2013
#166
Uh huh. Huh. Tell us, who did you support for Pres last election. And uh. huh.
uppityperson
Aug 2013
#175
Not One To Crow About, Sir, This Episode: Took Three Swings, Shouldn't Have Taken More Than One
The Magistrate
Aug 2013
#190