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smartalek

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102. take race/ethnicity completely out of the equation by...

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 02:48 PM

Jul 2013

...making all presentations by lawyers (prosecutors and defense) blind-screened, the way they now do with musicians' auditions at the better orchestras.
Instead of names (I never met a white "Trayvon," nor a black "Zimmerman&quot , have labels or numbers or both ("accused #1," "corpse B," etc). If they testify, play their voices thru the voice-disguiser circuitry beloved of tabloid teevee.
And I wish I were kidding.
Anyone who claims they don't recognise the undeniable racial disparities, not just in convictions and sentencing, but in who does and doesn't get arrested, is either deliberately, willfully ignorant -- the data are all readily searchable -- or self-deluding, or just plain lying.
And you know to whom I'm talking.
No racism identifiable? Tell that to the black.woman who.was just sentenced to 20 years for discharging a handgun *in the air* to scare off an attacker, and warn others in the area of the threat.
None so.blind as they that will not see.

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George Zimmerman Apologist Bingo nt [View all] MrScorpio Jul 2013 OP

I swear whoever devised that pulled all those comments from DU... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #1

Another greatest hit... I think George is a bad person, but.... Moses2SandyKoufax Jul 2013 #73

BINGO! Just Saying Jul 2013 #2

Sadly, there IS less here than other places Bettie Jul 2013 #79

Not convinced "somewhat less horrific" = "much better" smartalek Jul 2013 #105

Yeah, I get it Bettie Jul 2013 #108

I'll take the center square,... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #3

What's wrong with 'the jury decided?' RZM Jul 2013 #4

ask every single civil rights activist murdered by the Klan in the Deep South geek tragedy Jul 2013 #5

But that's not what happened here RZM Jul 2013 #9

Look up. See that thing flying over your head? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #10

Maybe instead of missing it RZM Jul 2013 #11

The point is that predominantly white juries have a long history of excusing geek tragedy Jul 2013 #12

Is that why the jury came up with not guilty? RZM Jul 2013 #15

Ask Trevor Dooley, who was convicted after 90 minutes of deliberations geek tragedy Jul 2013 #17

Why ask him about what the Zimmerman jury was thinking? RZM Jul 2013 #21

Yeah, completely coincidental. This is who sits on juries: geek tragedy Jul 2013 #23

Well then, that video settles it. The problem is that juries are composed of people RZM Jul 2013 #24

No, the point is that juries are given too much leeway geek tragedy Jul 2013 #27

And how would that be done? RZM Jul 2013 #35

More specific instructions with certain subjective determinations being taken out of geek tragedy Jul 2013 #39

I don't think new instructions would change that much RZM Jul 2013 #48

Jury instructions need to be more concrete to take things out of their hands. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #53

He got bingo! Just Saying Jul 2013 #76

Lol! NealK Jul 2013 #83

That would help a lot, except they don't have to withdraw Chemisse Jul 2013 #67

SYG didn't apply to Z, since he was the initiator. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #71

take race/ethnicity completely out of the equation by... smartalek Jul 2013 #102

All I can say is BobbyBoring Jul 2013 #68

lol, what did you just say? okieinpain Jul 2013 #70

Why is ANYTHING white on black always racist? And he's not even white anyway. Just an idiot. 7962 Jul 2013 #38

Racism is the only explanation as to the differing verdicts. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #40

so you think zimmerman would do the same to okieinpain Jul 2013 #72

A white kid who was whipping his ass, probably so. But proof? No 7962 Jul 2013 #80

"where are all.the marches about... ...black-on-black crime"? In Boston and NYC smartalek Jul 2013 #107

Yes, they're very effective so far, arent they? 7962 Jul 2013 #111

Actually, yes. Statistically speaking, that is exactly right. TalkingDog Jul 2013 #55

"Percentage likelyhood" clffrdjk Jul 2013 #81

What is confusing you about the likelyhood (sic) of the percentages in the chart? TalkingDog Jul 2013 #84

If had been graphed as 4 times more likely, it would be easier to accept Thor_MN Jul 2013 #88

Just how do you read it any other way than percent when no baseline is given to compare to? clffrdjk Jul 2013 #92

I'll let you read the article for yourself, maybe the FBI can explain it to you. TalkingDog Jul 2013 #94

I am glad to see you edited your post to add a base line clffrdjk Jul 2013 #96

I'm glad you are less confused now. I wasn't, so I felt no need to add explanitory text. TalkingDog Jul 2013 #98

You thought it through. I'm sure most other people have the same capacity. TalkingDog Jul 2013 #93

i would bet money on it. the whole defense was based on fear okieinpain Jul 2013 #69

+++ BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #95

The defendant in this case isn't white. n/t Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #26

B-3 gollygee Jul 2013 #28

LOL!=NT Anansi1171 Jul 2013 #56

This. Wow. October Jul 2013 #85

heh. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #30

Actually, he's the one making a point here. nt LittleBlue Jul 2013 #37

well, it doesn't feel any different than if it was the Klan 60 years ago noiretextatique Jul 2013 #100

History repeats etherealtruth Jul 2013 #115

More in the sense of Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #6

Just going off of the graphic RZM Jul 2013 #8

It would be interesting to know what the jury was thinking I would understand if they never speak gordianot Jul 2013 #14

away with your facts and common sense, get thee gone Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #7

^^ G5 n/t Just Saying Jul 2013 #77

Because it's used to silence and demean people who have a problem with that decision Scootaloo Jul 2013 #18

Is that what the president meant to convey RZM Jul 2013 #19

If you haven't noticed, 313,899,999 Americans are NOT the president Scootaloo Jul 2013 #20

I don't go off of private conversations he has with his family RZM Jul 2013 #22

My point is that your "but the president...!" argument doesn't work Scootaloo Jul 2013 #25

RZM plays bingo very, very well Skittles Jul 2013 #46

It's like he's played it before.... RetroLounge Jul 2013 #50

oh you know it's a life long thing, Retro Skittles Jul 2013 #51

Is that all you have? RZM Jul 2013 #60

no, listen to this rant - ALL of it Skittles Jul 2013 #61

LOL. You folk RZM Jul 2013 #62

you did not even bother listening, did you? Skittles Jul 2013 #65

of course he didn't, he may learn something... RetroLounge Jul 2013 #74

Excellent alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #78

Zimmerman apologists billh58 Jul 2013 #54

a prediction (not, repeat, *not* a threat / promise / incitement): smartalek Jul 2013 #113

juries can and very often do make BAD DECISIONS Skittles Jul 2013 #34

Of course they do RZM Jul 2013 #41

Normal people are also racists.Many in Florida are.Many! -NT Anansi1171 Jul 2013 #57

The trial was about how the cops reacted.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #42

Finally, some sanity. russspeakeasy Jul 2013 #49

+2 ellisonz Jul 2013 #91

tell that to OJ NatBurner Jul 2013 #47

As we are quickly discovering ... GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #82

HUGE K&R BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #13

looking for a debunking jollyreaper2112 Jul 2013 #16

Go back to the site you found this and ask the poster to provide proof backing up his/her post... Spazito Jul 2013 #29

I figured it was a common talking point jollyreaper2112 Jul 2013 #31

LOLOL Skittles Jul 2013 #32

yeah jollyreaper2112 Jul 2013 #33

You forgot...OH GET OVER IT. DearAbby Jul 2013 #36

They need another one about getting his gun back. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #43

if Zimmerman had targeted, stalked and killed one of THEIR loved ones Skittles Jul 2013 #44

+1000 skeewee08 Jul 2013 #52

You act as if somehow this is the only tragedy Chico Man Jul 2013 #89

You seriously must have taken a LONG break from this site... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #104

Wow. Hit 'em all. byronius Jul 2013 #45

There's a logical explanation for no blood on Trayvon's hands, even though Zim "beaten to pulp"! ZRT2209 Jul 2013 #58

how about "WERE YOU THEREEEE"??????????? JI7 Jul 2013 #59

correct; it's like they are saying they WERE there Skittles Jul 2013 #66

OMG, I know. It's all over THIS thread already! /nt October Jul 2013 #86

zomg, it's the Grand Unified Theorem for wingers of all flavors! smartalek Jul 2013 #109

god, how did I ever forget that one? Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #112

Missing: "Black culture is to blame for Trayvon's death" noamnety Jul 2013 #63

Consistency -- and intellectual integrity in general -- are not the wingers' forté. smartalek Jul 2013 #116

They left out JoeyT Jul 2013 #64

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #75

kick...this needs to be pinned to the top, if just for a week.... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #87

Yes because we can all agree Chico Man Jul 2013 #90

So which caused MORE racial discord? The satirical graphic? or Zim's acquittal itself? Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #103

The apologists have bingo card excuses for everything and everyone. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #97

If they didn't have their talking points from Fox, Rush, etc, smartalek Jul 2013 #114

You forgot "The media is fanning all of the racial flames!" - this one is bullwinkle428 Jul 2013 #99

Missing: "why don't u care about black-on-black violence, huh? HUH?" smartalek Jul 2013 #101

The RW trolls have been pushing this one big-time as well! bullwinkle428 Jul 2013 #106

It's an oldie as well Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #110