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Pholus

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116. You make no sense. Why would ruining a perfectly functional TV make this better?
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 11:17 PM
Feb 2012

Last edited Sun Feb 19, 2012, 09:27 AM - Edit history (1)

You certainly didn't read many of the previous posts in this thread. I forgive you partly. It's very repetitive because of refrain of "but everybody does it" whining that's supposed to serve as some kind of magic-cure-all-STFU line on the part of the Apple apologists.

Your attempt at a humorous barb was poorly chosen given your target. See post 90. If you've given THAT little thought about what would rile me, I can only presume that your understanding of the issue is similarly shallow.

Quite obviously you also didn't READ the article I referenced in my last post. Had you done so, you would have seen the esteemed late Mr. Jobs' excuse as to why the jobs will not come back. I thought about making you look it up out of spite, but I'll spoon feed it just this once because you obviously have a bit of a lazy bone.

See, we've sent SOOOOO many jobs to "cheap labor China" that the industrial concentration there now makes them far more flexible than left-behind America can ever be without massive investment that nobody is willing to make. Even with your American job saving Apple-brand i-robots, it would be a hassle to send them here because last minute production line changes (for example a last minute need for a million microscopic screws) can be easily effected by the other supplies whose factories in China are now blocks, not continents, away from the assembly line.

So, you really did fail at even a basic understanding of this issue. Even Apple's invincible overlord robots will not be coming back here. When we're out of money this time, it's pretty much for good.

Seriously, just read the durned article. I get the impression that you'd be prone to Apple hero-worship so you'll probably enjoy the touching little story about Mr. Jobs' demand for perfection on some glass displays and how the Chinese could fill this demand better than America ever could.

You won't really understand the implications, but basically it just says how in a hole we REALLY are because of our corporations' instatiable greed for "cheap labor." We HAVE crossed the rubicon when our ability to manufacture technology has been completely compromised and that probably will not change anytime soon. That, more than some perceived social slight on TV, brings tears to my eyes. Not that you have displayed any awareness as to why any of us should care.

Oh to heck with it. Why am I ever bothering to shake you out of your stupor. It's basically too late anyway. Just go back and play with your i-whatever for a while until you've been distracted enough that you can't remember what we were talking about. It makes you a better consumer anyway.







Hmm not what I was expecting to read. dkf Feb 2012 #1
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Definitely food for thought. dkf Feb 2012 #8
The related post is the Scheer article which was discussed elsewhere this morning... Pholus Feb 2012 #9
Americans should feel guilty buying anything from China. Zalatix Feb 2012 #84
Leavenworth is better than Alcatraz?? CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #2
and we should believe them because??? mucifer Feb 2012 #3
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Mike Daisey has been to the Foxconn factory FredisDead Feb 2012 #10
Has he been to the garment factories? Javaman Feb 2012 #18
Apples to wrenches? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #6
Man, the whiplash in the required party line is pretty bad... Pholus Feb 2012 #7
Wow, thank you for that fascinating report, everyone should check this out. joshcryer Feb 2012 #55
Kind of reminds me of how gays are treated FreeState Feb 2012 #67
way, way above average of the norm GeorgeGist Feb 2012 #11
Great point "the physical conditions are way, way above average of the norm." grahamhgreen Feb 2012 #13
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As long as the Chinese workers are all happy I guess. Again, I point to Scheer. Pholus Feb 2012 #16
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Yet, some of them would still rather commit suicide than stay or go back. Incitatus Feb 2012 #22
if higher ed had the same suicide rate as foxconn belcffub Feb 2012 #35
Lies, damn lies and statistics. girl gone mad Feb 2012 #43
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47 suicides over 36 years.. girl gone mad Feb 2012 #69
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There were 300,000 workers at the Foxconn factory in question. girl gone mad Feb 2012 #72
ding ding ding belcffub Feb 2012 #74
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is the 400% internationalized belcffub Feb 2012 #75
How about 'all of the above' has a problem. Zalatix Feb 2012 #85
Apparently quakerboy Feb 2012 #53
The preventative measures were to the library and local bridge.. girl gone mad Feb 2012 #71
That's easy. Make students sign a no-suicide pact with financial penalties for their survivors. Pholus Feb 2012 #82
Fascinating. North Korea also has a similar law, if you kill yourself, your entire family suffers. joshcryer Feb 2012 #88
I guess there is more than one way to look at your data point. Pholus Feb 2012 #24
That's exactly why we need steep tariffs on the Chinese goods, grahamhgreen Feb 2012 #39
Begs the question - how bad is the norm? We need to end the Costly Trade Agreements, increase tariff grahamhgreen Feb 2012 #12
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All the more reason to bring them back! grahamhgreen Feb 2012 #38
Way, way? Is that some professional lingo? Is 'way, way' twice 'way' or 10x 'way'? Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #14
It's a professional term: Way, way is "way to the way'th power" In other words EXPONENTIALLY. nt Pholus Feb 2012 #17
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Let me repeat my previous post using smaller posts. Pholus Feb 2012 #27
BTW, I'll see your request and ask for a copy of your CV as well. Pholus Feb 2012 #28
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Ah yes, it is the fault of the "Murcan" so the onus is on him. Pholus Feb 2012 #41
Your points are logical, and well reasoned, I do not expect a coherent response. joshcryer Feb 2012 #57
Thanks. You know I tend not to be reasonable myself though, right? ;) Pholus Feb 2012 #61
I'm glad you pointed out the required technical conditions, I probably would've overlooked that. joshcryer Feb 2012 #64
I'm simply amazed how things like this can ever be justified. Or that people even try... Pholus Feb 2012 #87
Your information and rational, cogent arguments jsmirman Feb 2012 #108
Bullshit: there's an app for that nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2012 #20
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Most workers get 3 beatings a day, ours only get 2. We're 33% nicer. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #21
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Forgive if I implied the workers are in any way at fault for anything Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #36
No, but we would have the monetary leverage to save our own people. Zalatix Feb 2012 #86
See, we don't beat our slaves. marmar Feb 2012 #23
"the physical conditions are way, way above average of the norm" TBF Feb 2012 #49
Sounds to me like "Hey, there *might* be a *surprise* inspection on Tuesday at 6:30 a.m." n/t Earth_First Feb 2012 #25
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Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #40
So conditions aren't as bad as they are at places with worse conditions? Iggo Feb 2012 #33
I recall some left wing agitator saying one that raouldukelives Feb 2012 #37
The board of the "Fair Labor Association" is full of corporate CEOs. What a joke! Romulox Feb 2012 #42
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It's a significant amount, to be sure. I consider it dishonest not to disclose this fact Romulox Feb 2012 #47
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You quoted a trade group as if it were a NGO or similar. nt Romulox Feb 2012 #51
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"The Fair Labor Association" (sic) is an INDUSTRY GROUP. NOT an NGO! Romulox Feb 2012 #56
This is a joke, right? girl gone mad Feb 2012 #44
IMHO, some of this raises questions about using DU for commercial promotion. nt Romulox Feb 2012 #48
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So anyone who uses an electronic device has no business being concerned about the working conditions Incitatus Feb 2012 #58
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When you're an image-centered brand, "everybody else does it" does NOT cut it. Pholus Feb 2012 #60
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Bwahahahaha...CHECKMATE! I actually PASS your purity test as you stated it. Pholus Feb 2012 #81
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Yes. I imagine you thought this comeback was a real winner. THEN YOU RAN ACROSS ME... Pholus Feb 2012 #90
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Your argument is one of moral equivalence between Apple Corporation Romulox Feb 2012 #97
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"Would you would you in a box...would you would you with a fox." Pholus Feb 2012 #98
Someone's getting seriously worked over here, and it ain't Pholus jsmirman Feb 2012 #109
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I thought you said I wasn't worth debating with. I'll counter that Walmart sells loads too. Pholus Feb 2012 #121
Incidentally, that does prove you ran out of arguments when you resorted to "neener neener" talk. Pholus Feb 2012 #122
Only a very small number. I'm glad we are on the same side on this issue. joshcryer Feb 2012 #59
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Oh yes, I know, and I enjoy our little back and forths. joshcryer Feb 2012 #65
Don't bring facts to the anti-Apple crowd. former9thward Feb 2012 #68
A ridiculous comparison. girl gone mad Feb 2012 #73
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No it would not. former9thward Feb 2012 #91
I appreciate the tactics which were brought to bear to make this happen. Very classy. See #82. Pholus Feb 2012 #83
Actually all companies in the U.S. that have life insurance do this. former9thward Feb 2012 #92
In the U.S. foxconn would be sunk under wrongful death lawsuits. Pholus Feb 2012 #100
Many companies use Foxconn former9thward Feb 2012 #106
Okay. Let's put this "everybody does it" thing to bed here. It's simply morally repugnant. Pholus Feb 2012 #110
The Chinese people disagree with you. former9thward Feb 2012 #111
Oh yes. People fight hard when desperate. Fundamental tenet of the "cheap labor" movement. Pholus Feb 2012 #112
Of course they would go to robots if they could. former9thward Feb 2012 #113
Apple says that you too hold a blacksmith's hammer in the brave new "global economy." Pholus Feb 2012 #114
Well my insane leap of logic was already in my previous post former9thward Feb 2012 #115
You make no sense. Why would ruining a perfectly functional TV make this better? Pholus Feb 2012 #116
"the norm" = A poke in the eye with a sharp stick. n/t cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #78
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Not enough? Too many? Who counts? Just call me an Apple hater; I like it. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #80
From "better than the norm!" to "EVERYBODY'S doin' it!" in a few short equivocations. Romulox Feb 2012 #94
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I reject your premise; namely that owning Chinese made products makes Romulox Feb 2012 #96
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The Fair Labor Association is a phony, industry-funded "watchdog" brentspeak Feb 2012 #103
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Sorry, your OP was corporate PR spin. It got shredded. Pholus Feb 2012 #117
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We stopped debating when you ran out of new things to say. Pholus Feb 2012 #119
Agreed. I've shown above just how absurd the moral equivalism will get. Pholus Feb 2012 #101
Why did Anti-Apartheid protestors pick on Barclays sudopod Feb 2012 #104
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