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NuclearDem

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184. Look, I know you "strongly support Obama"...

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 09:35 PM

Jul 2013

...but can you not read subtext or think critically? Or are even the slightest offenses against Obama just enough to trigger the Pavlovian anger?

Here's what Sirota said:

Zimmerman presumed Trayvon was one of "those assholes" who "always get away." He summarily executed Trayvon without trial.

Obama presumed Al-Awlaki and his son were among "those terrorists" who "hate our freedom." He summarily executed both without trial.

Let me be absolutely clear: I don't care if an American citizen defected to the fucking Third Reich. As long as they hold American citizenship, they are entitled to a presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law.

I know it sucks having to realize the comparison is apt, because it offends your die-hard loyalty to Obama, but that doesn't change the fact that Obama, like Zimmerman, summarily executed an American citizen on a presumption of guilt, and subsequently violated every right of the accused our justice system is based on.

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David Sirota: Obama is George Zimmerman. Trayvon Martin is Al-Awlaki. [View all] AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 OP

Some crazy firebagger shit...what the hell is David Sirota on? nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #1

They're either unhinged or they try to outdo each other's cretinous behavior. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #4

It takes werk to outcrazy Greenwald.....nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #7

Recently Fired Radio Talk Show Host otohara Jul 2013 #109

ah ha! that explains it then. Why I had the comments I did Whisp Jul 2013 #130

Racial dirty tricks in the Philly mayoral--another firing of Sirota. We here in Philly remember msanthrope Jul 2013 #144

thanks for the link, yes, Sirota appears to be very Greenwald like. Whisp Jul 2013 #148

He's An Angry Guy otohara Jul 2013 #153

Here in Philly, we remember when he was fired for racial dirty tricks during the mayoral race. msanthrope Jul 2013 #141

Sirota is on pretzels laced with megahater steroids. You know the usual. Cha Jul 2013 #159

Sounds like Sirota has jumped the Sharknado. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #2

Do you want to discuss the "presumption of innocence" or just throw rhett o rick Jul 2013 #18

I found Sirota guilty of jumping JoePhilly Jul 2013 #22

I believe in the presumption of innocence. onenote Jul 2013 #67

It sounds like you have a valid subject for discussion. I am not claiming to agree with what rhett o rick Jul 2013 #82

Don't you laugh when certain posters on this board claim they are "FDR Democrats?" nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #90

I laugh as well Yavin4 Jul 2013 #119

Sirota is talking about the 16 yr old al-Awlaki AND his father. NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #75

Of course, to justify the righteous ridiculing and ad hominem. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #100

Exactly. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #120

not heaven05 Jul 2013 #101

Yeah, exact situation... what a complete ass. kysrsoze Jul 2013 #3

Jumping the Shark, Part III frazzled Jul 2013 #5

Jumped a long time ago. ProSense Jul 2013 #14

The Declaration of Independence is a syllogism. ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #49

Or was he more like Hitler, wait was he worse than bush NightWatcher Jul 2013 #6

Jeezus H. Keryst on a trailer hitch, Sirota MrScorpio Jul 2013 #8

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #9

Here's a direct link to Sirota's column Electric Monk Jul 2013 #156

Wow thats some kinda stupid. GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #10

So he's calling Martin a terrorist? arely staircase Jul 2013 #11

That's the gist of it. Regardless of how someone feels about drones... AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #13

Was Al-Awlaki's son innocent or not? Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #121

One can make that argument, as they have many times, AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #123

Was disidoro01 Jul 2013 #127

Fair enough if we're talking about the father. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #128

comparing Trayvon Martin to any terrorist is sick. nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #186

Do you know how to read? Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #187

But, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki palled around with terrorists! NuclearDem Jul 2013 #189

Yeah, very Palinesque answers in this thread. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #191

a sick comparison arely staircase Jul 2013 #190

Appealing to emotion to dodge the underlying issue. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #192

To compare him to another innocent kid? Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #193

David Sirota appears to be a very stupid man. Whisp Jul 2013 #12

So you attack the person and ignore the discussion? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #19

My thoughts too. Also, now Senator Franken, used to have him on his radio show Cleita Jul 2013 #36

Relentlessly Trashing Obama & His Listeners otohara Jul 2013 #202

ha, typical. nm Whisp Jul 2013 #129

Trayvon Martin joined Al Qaeda? Sirota is a very handsome moron. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #15

That blog you link to is some McCrartyite crap. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #16

So, in other words, Not Guilty Freddie Stubbs Jul 2013 #17

This thread is a great example of posters with no substance but only ad hominem comments that rhett o rick Jul 2013 #20

Sirota's comments are not worth substantive discussion. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #21

So they tell me nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #23

That's the usual rationalization of those that are afraid to venture out and have rhett o rick Jul 2013 #42

Okay, how in your open mind is Trayvon Martin similar to Anwar Al Awlaki? nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #47

I would love to discuss this issue, but not with someone that isnt interested in anything rhett o rick Jul 2013 #61

I read what Sirota wrote. He claimed that Zimmerman was to Martin as Obama was to Al Awlaki. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #71

And you jumped to those conclusions without any discussion. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #88

I read his article. And it was every bit as ODS-soaked as it's being portrayed. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #94

More Ardent Supporters tend to come out during the workday leftstreet Jul 2013 #24

Are you saying Obama supporters are too lazy to get jobs? AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #30

Heavens no! I'm suggesting high rates of employment! n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #34

... bunnies Jul 2013 #115

It was all the free stuff we got, according to Mitt--like phones and welfare. We don't need jobs!!! msanthrope Jul 2013 #35

It's always the people that feel the need to reaffirm their leftiness in their usernames. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #38

Isn't that in their SOP of how to troll leftwing boards-- geek tragedy Jul 2013 #51

You've been here one week. Brewinblue Jul 2013 #176

Ever notice how the supposed leftists who do nothing but hate on Obama geek tragedy Jul 2013 #39

It's ODS on fucking steroids--using Trayvon Martin's body this time. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #45

So now you're plagiarizing Mitt Romney's 47% speech for your trashy insults. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #37

wut? n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #46

Not fooling anyone. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #48

The lunacy of his thoughts in this matter deserve....... NCTraveler Jul 2013 #25

I would be glad to discuss what he said but not with those that clearly find rationalizations to rhett o rick Jul 2013 #50

Then why didn't you? You chose to discuss posters rather than the OP. DevonRex Jul 2013 #102

thank you, Devon, for pointing that Cha Jul 2013 #160

It had to be said, as it's rather ironic, at best, for him to do what he whined about. DevonRex Jul 2013 #163

And, I think it's important to bring out Sirota's Cha Jul 2013 #164

Trayvon Martin wasn't declared a terrorist by the UN. Awlaki was. End of discussion, and Sirota msanthrope Jul 2013 #28

that article is about the father questionseverything Jul 2013 #105

Try reading Sirota's actual column...He calls the killing of Awlaki SENIOR 'extrajudicial.' Try msanthrope Jul 2013 #111

So, can we make the comparison regarding Al-Awaki's son? Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #122

No. Leave the using of Trayvon Martin to the likes of Juror B37. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #132

So, we can't have that discussion? Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #133

No. You don't get to compare Trayvon Martin to a UN-designated terrorist and then pretend you have msanthrope Jul 2013 #137

Al-Awaki's son was a UN-designated terrorist? Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #139

Awlaki was--and that's who Sirota mentioned first. And Sirota, who was fired for racial dirty tricks msanthrope Jul 2013 #142

I don't care about what Sirota said. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #145

Tell ya' what. The day Trayvon Martin's family decides to have that discussion, I'm there. Until msanthrope Jul 2013 #147

I'm not "using" Trayvon anymore than I'm using Al-Awaki's son. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #149

Yeah--you are using people to "make a point." Sirota likened a UN designated terrorist to Trayvon msanthrope Jul 2013 #154

Again, I don't care what Sirota said, or about any other red herring you're introducing. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #162

Right--because using Trayvon Martin as a point of discussion in a lunatic ODS rant is classy. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #168

Who was ranting? Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #172

Al-Awaki's father caused his death Galraedia Jul 2013 #181

That is a very sorry argument. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #185

Are you fucking kidding me? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #188

I'm talking about the fact that his father brought him there and allowed himself and his son to be Galraedia Jul 2013 #195

So every child that is brought to or lives in whatever "warzone" has been designated by the US NuclearDem Jul 2013 #198

HE WAS AROUND TERRORISTS WHEN HE WAS KILLED Galraedia Jul 2013 #199

Some would think that Trayvon shouldn't have been in a white neighborhood. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #200

Exactly, msanthrope. "The day Trayvon Martin's family decides Cha Jul 2013 #161

And your post discusses POSTERS. You added nothing to the discussion DevonRex Jul 2013 #81

Truthy to Power? snooper2 Jul 2013 #104

What a doofus Dash87 Jul 2013 #26

Sirota's got integrity. Here's what he wrote re Tim Geithner vs Elizabeth Warren Octafish Jul 2013 #27

"Sirota's got integrity." So you agree with the fucked up comparison he just made? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #29

That one never sees a fucked up comparison he/she doesn't like. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #33

Sheldon, is that you? Octafish Jul 2013 #43

Why don't you quote the rest of what I wrote, ProSense? Taking things out of context is sad. Octafish Jul 2013 #41

He has no fucking "integrity" making this comparison. Also ProSense Jul 2013 #56

Sirota is an excellent reporter. Octafish Jul 2013 #62

He jumped the fucking shark. Can you see that? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #66

Just because you say so? Octafish Jul 2013 #79

Here's his skis over the shark's fin geek tragedy Jul 2013 #113

You must have trouble with parallel structure. Some minds can't adapt. No problem. Octafish Jul 2013 #157

That is not true in all cases. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #158

An excellent reporter wouldn't write that America is discarding "old ideals" about the presumption onenote Jul 2013 #76

No, he's not required to include what you want. Octafish Jul 2013 #92

No one is "requiring" him to do anything. However, I'll reserve the label "excellent" reporter onenote Jul 2013 #118

Look, I know you "strongly support Obama"... NuclearDem Jul 2013 #184

Sirota just compared a dead 17-year old the equivalent of a UN-named terrorist. He just shit on his msanthrope Jul 2013 #31

The president killing who he wants to is un-Constitutional. Octafish Jul 2013 #55

So after claiming I quoted you out of context, you're agreeing with the comparison? ProSense Jul 2013 #64

Again: I wrote what I wrote. Octafish Jul 2013 #69

Oh please. Sirota's comparison is lunatic, and your attempt at deflection is lame. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #83

He's got a right to state his opinion. Octafish Jul 2013 #86

And I have a right to call him out on his lunatic comparison. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #91

And that's the point, what makes us fucking different, ProSense. Octafish Jul 2013 #126

No ProSense Jul 2013 #136

Yes. You can fucking say what you want, ProSense. The OP can say whatever he or she wants. Octafish Jul 2013 #150

You ProSense Jul 2013 #152

Anwar Awlaki was not 16. He was a grown man, subject to the AUMF of 9/18/2001. His son was msanthrope Jul 2013 #68

Got a link for that? The president sent a drone to kill an American citizen without trial. Octafish Jul 2013 #74

I just gave you a link. Did you read it? msanthrope Jul 2013 #85

Nowhere in that article does it state what law gives Obama the authority to kill Americans. Octafish Jul 2013 #131

I just gave you the law. Try reading it. The AUMF of 9/18/2001. msanthrope Jul 2013 #134

Here's a PDF. Nowhere in that does it say the President can kill Americans without trial. Octafish Jul 2013 #138

Under the War Powers Resolution, enemy combatants can indeed be killed without trial. msanthrope Jul 2013 #151

Where in the War Powers Resolution does it say the president can kill Americans without trial? Octafish Jul 2013 #169

First, you keep saying 'American citizen' as if this means that Americans are entitled to rights msanthrope Jul 2013 #180

You just moved the goalposts. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #174

Really? Where? Octafish Jul 2013 #177

Here's Elizabeth Warren: ProSense Jul 2013 #32

No, because my post was written by Sirota. Octafish Jul 2013 #59

And it has nothing to do with the OP. Nothing: Pure lame deflection. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #87

That's your term. I explained why I chose that article as an example of Sirota's work. Octafish Jul 2013 #171

This message was self-deleted by its author Cleita Jul 2013 #40

Anyone not rushing to condemn Sirota for these comments are highly suspect AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author Cleita Jul 2013 #53

"Highly suspect" of having open minds. Rushing to condemn isnt a characteristic that rhett o rick Jul 2013 #54

"rushing to condemn" is something you do on a regular basis by smearing geek tragedy Jul 2013 #60

You should read the book, "The Authoritarians". I think you would find it rhett o rick Jul 2013 #70

Which part, the one where he blames Obama for innocent black people geek tragedy Jul 2013 #78

Everything isnt about Obama. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #93

Then why did Sirota bring him up???? nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #97

You were just asked legitimate questions about the analogy and refuse to answer them. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #98

I love how people defend Obama hatred and then come back with " geek tragedy Jul 2013 #103

Ad hominem! 1984! Obama's evil! This is not about Obama! Where's my meds? nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #107

Plez. "where he blames Obama for innocent black people getting killed by white racists? " rhett o rick Jul 2013 #112

He said that Martin's killing was part of a nationwide attitudinal shift geek tragedy Jul 2013 #114

Without sounding sarcastic, that's more like a real discussion. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #117

Agreed. Cheers. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #124

We're talking about the frigging article that is about Obama. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #99

He didnt say, "he blames Obama for innocent black people getting killed by white racists". rhett o rick Jul 2013 #116

We thank you for your vote anyway! snooper2 Jul 2013 #106

It's the people who collapse into convulsions of pure rage every time they geek tragedy Jul 2013 #84

So, people who disagree that Travyon=Anwar Al Awlaki are sychophants? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Cleita Jul 2013 #58

You're here bashing everyone in sight taking issue with Sirota's Obama-hating nuttiness. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author Cleita Jul 2013 #89

Your reference to everyone in this thread as "sycophants" was meant geek tragedy Jul 2013 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author Cleita Jul 2013 #110

Right--because comparing a dead 17-year old who did nothing wrong to a UN-designated terrorist is msanthrope Jul 2013 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author Cleita Jul 2013 #63

And I have the free speech to compare Sirota to Juror B37--both using the corpse of Trayvon Martin msanthrope Jul 2013 #72

Ad hominem attacks aren't covered under the 1st Amendment? AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #73

"Free speech" is ProSense Jul 2013 #77

And we have a free speech right to call him an idiot if he's earned it. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author Cleita Jul 2013 #108

Can't get much nuttier. rl6214 Jul 2013 #95

Even I find this repugnant n/t n2doc Jul 2013 #125

dog, but Sirota is skeevy. total sleazebag cali Jul 2013 #135

Poor, poor Sirota haters MNBrewer Jul 2013 #140

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #167

WTF , so he thinks Zimmerman was right in the assumptions he made about Trayvon JI7 Jul 2013 #143

Terrorist blow shit up and kill people. Rex Jul 2013 #146

Sirota actually compared Trayvon to a member of Al-Qaeda Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #155

What a fucking stupid article. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #165

Sirota's article is intruiging, to say the least. Laelth Jul 2013 #166

Absolutely stupid comparison. In addition, it is insulting for Trayvon Martin that is compared to a Mass Jul 2013 #170

Ahem stevenleser Jul 2013 #173

George Zimmerman killed the presumption of innocence (SIROTA article) Octafish Jul 2013 #175

I'm sure many here would prefer Cesca's dishonest characterization of Sirota's words MNBrewer Jul 2013 #178

You're actually ProSense Jul 2013 #179

Indeed stupidicus Jul 2013 #183

I said the same thing here: Bonobo Jul 2013 #182

no, you really, really didn't. cali Jul 2013 #201

That's some serious ODS, of the Stand-with-Rand Obama-is-worse-than-Bush variety ucrdem Jul 2013 #194

Cool, guilt by association. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #196

Could you spell that one out in more detail? ucrdem Jul 2013 #197