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BlancheSplanchnik

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8. well written

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:29 PM

Jul 2013

I haven't been involved in the is he/isn't he debates. And I'm not sad about that!
Just happened to read this thread....good post

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What the "Snowden is a traitor" crowd don't get [View all] noise Jul 2013 OP

That IS certainly one of the things 'they' seem overly obtuse about, for sure. 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #1

snowden kardonb Jul 2013 #22

"Forget all the lame excuses of privacy" <-- your words 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #23

ummmm the privacy here is in telephone communications Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #24

Does the NSA equal the government? the United States? Does it trump the Constitution? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #33

Well, gee, can't argue with that word/colon salad. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #35

No, shit? Enthusiast Jul 2013 #58

You just repeated a talking point that has no basis in fact. Where did you get that from and sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #72

First of all you have no idea why Snowden took the job SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #115

he said himself why he took the job hopemountain Jul 2013 #215

So the FUCK what? Th1onein Jul 2013 #216

oh, well hopemountain Jul 2013 #252

First, WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE OF YOUR ALLEGATIONS? Th1onein Jul 2013 #253

where is YOUR evidence? hopemountain Jul 2013 #254

It works like this: When you accuse someone of something, you have EVIDENCE. Th1onein Jul 2013 #255

the evidence hopemountain Jul 2013 #256

Got links? On edit: Bzzzt! Times up! You FAIL again! Th1onein Jul 2013 #257

do your own research and reading hopemountain Jul 2013 #258

LOL! Too little, too late. Sorry, you FAIL. Again. Th1onein Jul 2013 #259

low as it gets BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #27

I suspect some may be sucking on Big Guv-mint tits, getting paid to do it 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #31

I agree BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #48

. 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #53

Einstein BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #55

Yah, that too. :-) eom 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #91

You don't need to prove it. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #59

Agree, I think it's very obvious who they are Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #60

I agree, monkey. What you said, exactly. And it rankles, more than you know... truth2power Jul 2013 #118

I'm that low creeksneakers2 Jul 2013 #178

how do you know Swagman Jul 2013 #180

Following the news creeksneakers2 Jul 2013 #211

What the "Snowden is a hero" crowd don't get brooklynite Jul 2013 #2

The public is intimidated into supporting these policies noise Jul 2013 #6

Snowden breached the trust his employer had in him, stole from the NSA and further breached the keep Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #9

And what Booz-Allen is doing to violate our Constitution dwarfs what Snowden did. But because they rhett o rick Jul 2013 #15

You need to do more research into why terrorist hate the US, it would be your great challenge. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #62

And you should not be so trusting of your government. Freedom requires vigilance. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #67

Do you use public roads for your transportation, enjoy having a defense department, enjoy local Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #71

You have already tried and convicted Snowden, not a very liberal outlook. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #73

I have not tried and convicted Snowden, you are wrong. I DON'T LIKE A THIEF. He is Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #76

If you call him a thief, then you have decided he is guilty. Are you Nancy Grace? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #78

Perhaps if you di not want Snowden labeled as thief then you should have told him Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #88

I just love the shift stirring nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #97

Sometimes honesty lightens your heart, soul and mind, it is good. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #99

And your handle is one full cup of irony nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #101

I usually run with a full cup, life is good. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #112

And it is time we say our good byes nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #120

My ignore list is growing. I began to notice that there are certain threads that "The Group" rhett o rick Jul 2013 #125

Their fear is we all put them on ignore and they remain a loud nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #134

I agree. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #135

You probably didn't see my response to your previous post about this. randome Jul 2013 #172

Ironic post of the day. zappaman Jul 2013 #230

Ah, so much for freedom of speech. Skidmore Jul 2013 #238

Yes but denial isnt good. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #124

Snowden is a Whistle Blower in the classic sense. All Whistle Blowers many of them sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #245

funny how Norquist's 'drown the gobmint' has become so popular here lately. Whisp Jul 2013 #110

You are misrepresenting me. I support the government but I dont grovel. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #121

Every day we learn a little more about the activities of Booz-Allen/NSA rhett o rick Jul 2013 #123

Booz Allen/NSA keep on claiming they are only following orders. Ford_Prefect Jul 2013 #143

It's called the Sgt. Schultz Syndrome. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #147

Nope. A check shows you are not accurate in your assertion. Pholus Jul 2013 #163

I know what you mean and I suggest Swagman Jul 2013 #184

There is a very big difference between . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #195

Might as well go Godwin. Where the Germans that wanted the ovens shut down Libertarians too? TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #232

It is?? Care to post something to demonstrate this? I'm more interested though in how sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #246

honestly of all the Snowden attacks this is the weirdest Swagman Jul 2013 #183

ccrikey..now we must shoot Snowden so we can have free roads Swagman Jul 2013 #182

+1000 GoneFishin Jul 2013 #116

His "employer" is an interesting word which raises the question,... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #30

Or used to make his employer rich? go west young man Jul 2013 #36

What would be hilarious at this point is if the place they were saving everything was in Russia. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #45

Well the new server farm is in Utah hootinholler Jul 2013 #65

How much secret information has Snowden outsourced? Did Snowden get paid? Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #64

How much secret information has Booz-Allen outsourced? Do they hold allegiance to America? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #129

I am not familiar with the contract with Booz-Allen, I do not know what requirements of their Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #136

Ok let's look at what you said. Mueller and Comey participated in illegal spying and rhett o rick Jul 2013 #140

I think I am beginning to see a problem here, your group are about 10 years too late with your facts Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #157

the rest of the story questionseverything Jul 2013 #175

about comey questionseverything Jul 2013 #148

I think you need to look at the dates of the information you have and check the ACLU on their Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #158

as of july 9th 2013 questionseverything Jul 2013 #174

In what year did this happen? Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #198

What about the bigger breach of trust from the government? lark Jul 2013 #109

"Broken trust, something many needs to know about Snowden" Phlem Jul 2013 #130

odd that people are more upset about Snowden "breaching Swagman Jul 2013 #181

He's not an enemy. He's a pathetic loser. randome Jul 2013 #187

I think I've asked this before but please post something to back your claim that Snowden sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #244

At this late stage you still don't know what he did? randome Jul 2013 #248

To the MEDIA. He was interviewed by the foreign PRESS AFTER sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #251

Those are all things Daniel Ellsberg did, too . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #193

Ellsberg had proof. Snowden has PowerPoint slides. randome Jul 2013 #194

The NSA has not denied the substance of Snowden's revelations . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #196

You're making assumptions. randome Jul 2013 #197

Let's see . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #199

No war. It's still a crime to show classified national security documents to other countries. randome Jul 2013 #203

hahaha BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #37

They are there to maintain the staus quo. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #46

100% agreed BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #51

I keep thinking they want to drastically lower the population. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #52

they do BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #54

Conspiracy types have LOVED this.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #56

Coincidence Theorists BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #57

The Bohemian Grove is the one that cracks me up.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #93

Bohemian Grove BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #166

You GO, BehindtheCurtain76! Th1onein Jul 2013 #218

Lol BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #234

Our government can identify North Korean ships without collecting the metadata on you and me JDPriestly Jul 2013 #40

"it wasn't his decision to make" Hissyspit Jul 2013 #44

"security" and "safety" will ALWAYS be invoked to justify clamping down on civil rights.... mike_c Jul 2013 #87

Do you think he would be gagged if he were in custody, or would he be free to speak out? reusrename Jul 2013 #95

At this point - it would be suspicious... Blanks Jul 2013 #153

Fine, he wouldn't get publicly tortured, I can buy that. But would he be gagged? reusrename Jul 2013 #154

It's not a complicated question... Blanks Jul 2013 #155

I figure you responded to me with a non-sequitor. reusrename Jul 2013 #205

Even if he was gagged during the trial, what would prevent him from speaking out afterwards? randome Jul 2013 #169

Ask Bobby Seale, who was literally gagged and bound by the court to force him to Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #185

Are you talking about something from 50 years ago? randome Jul 2013 #186

Thank Christ racial polarity has been completely fixed since then DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #192

Nothing. reusrename Jul 2013 #204

If Snowden had crimes to expose, I would back him 100%. randome Jul 2013 #206

This is the most important thing going on in the world. reusrename Jul 2013 #213

You don't think wholesale spying on the American people is something that needs to be exposed? Th1onein Jul 2013 #221

Yeah, right. Sure. Th1onein Jul 2013 #219

+1 Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2013 #96

Tyrannical federal security agencies and the craven citizens that grovel beneath them Maedhros Jul 2013 #105

No intelligence gathering is straw man caseymoz Jul 2013 #173

Glad someone gets it. Chan790 Jul 2013 #177

K&R B Calm Jul 2013 #247

they are unknowingly representing the 1% quinnox Jul 2013 #3

Never, where do you come up with 99% being on Snowden's side. You have a incorrect conclusion. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #12

You are correct. There are a lot of the 99% that bow down to the almighty authoritarian state. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #16

And apparently some bow down to Sniwden and his puppet masters. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #17

I bow down to the Constitution which you are so quickly wanting to give up because you let your rhett o rick Jul 2013 #68

If your statement is true about bowing to the Constitution, then abide by the Constitution. Just Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #108

I wonder if you unwavering law abiding righteousness would prevent you from running a stop rhett o rick Jul 2013 #113

you go Rick! LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #164

apologies to Rhett. Mea Culpa. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #25

Post 4 in your link is not by Rhett o Rick. go west young man Jul 2013 #38

Thanks so very much for setting me straight. I posted an apology to Rhett!. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #77

How about Pussy Riot, do they bow down to the authoritarian state flamingdem Jul 2013 #32

Does the fact that certain other countries are authoritarian make it OK to betray our Constitution JDPriestly Jul 2013 #42

We'll have to let the Russians worry about that. ronnie624 Jul 2013 #80

So put blinders on to make Snowden's choices okay? flamingdem Jul 2013 #82

I don't know what you mean. ronnie624 Jul 2013 #84

That reminds me of an ex.... ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #227

That's ridiculous... ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #226

Not unknowingly at all. The same names backing the same side on the same issues. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #235

"Fearmongering and intimidation are not indicative of a government acting in good faith." Marr Jul 2013 #4

You know what's strange? Cleita Jul 2013 #5

I've noticed that the ads have disappeared. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #7

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #10

I get TIVO adds hueymahl Jul 2013 #39

I have been mostly to DU. If what you say is true, those ads would show up on all the news Cleita Jul 2013 #89

Cookies? So how do we get the Snog tee shirt ads back? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #119

The ads you get are based on YOUR google searches. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #69

You're only partly correct. ronnie624 Jul 2013 #81

I don't think so. Cleita Jul 2013 #85

I don't use google. I use duck, duck. Cleita Jul 2013 #86

Click on the ads! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #106

I do. The ones I'm interested in. Cleita Jul 2013 #122

That's fair, but I was suggesting clicking the RW ads, as a way of draining their resources! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #128

Didn't think of that. Good idea especially the bank and Cleita Jul 2013 #131

I get a lot of Game ads and I understand that, but for some reason Whisp Jul 2013 #127

I get some really nasty ads about Obama and Michele too! Cleita Jul 2013 #132

well written BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #8

Yeah but after he exposed brush Jul 2013 #11

K & R Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #13

This information should not have been classified in the first place. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #43

Sorry, Snowden is not the one that gets to decide brush Jul 2013 #75

We the people should decide. Thanks to Snowden and other whistleblowers, we at least know JDPriestly Jul 2013 #146

Don't get me wrong brush Jul 2013 #159

Did he provide any information that would give aid and comfort to an enemy? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #200

WE are the ones who get to decide. It's called CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED. Th1onein Jul 2013 #222

You're wrong, he never approached any foreign countries about anything but amnesty. reusrename Jul 2013 #98

Ahhh . . . you don't know that anymore than I do brush Jul 2013 #137

Holy crap, your right. Imagine all the secrets they stole when Obama was there! reusrename Jul 2013 #138

Keep it serious please nt brush Jul 2013 #160

You think the Chinese are going to let an opportunity like that just slip away? reusrename Jul 2013 #165

What are you talking about? You not up on the story too well brush Jul 2013 #167

He spoke to the press. Not the Chinese government. reusrename Jul 2013 #237

Come on, now, Brush. You repeat a lie, and we call you on it, and you say shit like.... Th1onein Jul 2013 #223

It's not just the Chinese brush Jul 2013 #231

Snowden revealed that we were spying on everyone. Th1onein Jul 2013 #233

Like I said brush Jul 2013 #236

You can repeat yourself time and again, Brush. But the fact still remains: Th1onein Jul 2013 #239

I've said all along brush Jul 2013 #240

The treason charge is disputed and, IIRC, debunked. Th1onein Jul 2013 #241

I've posted that a couple of time before brush Jul 2013 #242

He was certainly of use to the American people and our democracy, that's for sure. Th1onein Jul 2013 #243

What YOU don't get. pnwmom Jul 2013 #14

Why is it okay to spy on innocent citizens of other countries? deurbano Jul 2013 #19

That's one point I made to someone recently... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #34

Who says we're "spying on innocent citizens of other countries"? pnwmom Jul 2013 #49

Quick! Someone tell us which number this is under the Surveillance Apologist Manifesto! Th1onein Jul 2013 #225

Do you think there are not any spies in the US? Do you think by accident the 9/11 Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #61

Sounds like some kind of conspiracy. reusrename Jul 2013 #102

Never said it was a conspiracy and personally don't think it was. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #107

Truth and reconciliation weren't really the issue after 9/11 bhikkhu Jul 2013 #18

I thought it was "covering everyone's asses". Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #47

Some apparently don't believe in whistleblowers. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #20

There is massive double standard when it comes to the noise Jul 2013 #217

Hear, hear. nt Mnemosyne Jul 2013 #21

K&R DeSwiss Jul 2013 #26

I always wondered what was going to happen back in 1989.... ReRe Jul 2013 #28

+1 hueymahl Jul 2013 #41

The Cold War was a scam.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #50

the main thing that the "Snowden is a traitor" crowd who happen to be Democrats don't get is that Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #29

If you see this debate in terms of 'crowds', you have already lost. randome Jul 2013 #63

+1000. Any thread starting off with the CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #94

What is it that you don't understand about the direct access? reusrename Jul 2013 #104

this article shows he was not wrong about direct access questionseverything Jul 2013 #144

I believe the Quantico Circuit is used for live surveillance. reusrename Jul 2013 #151

only live message content questionseverything Jul 2013 #156

Still no evidence, just this guy's word, same as Snowden's. randome Jul 2013 #170

Yet all the telecoms say that's not happening. randome Jul 2013 #171

Direct access is lawful compliance. It's the identical thing. reusrename Jul 2013 #201

Why would they deny turning over data authorized by a warrant? randome Jul 2013 #202

Snowden never walked anything back. That's false. reusrename Jul 2013 #207

So why didn't Snowden get evidence that message content is being gathered? randome Jul 2013 #214

You don't believe that all digital communications are being stored? reusrename Jul 2013 #220

What about the crowd that simply finds him uninteresting? quaker bill Jul 2013 #66

"the government has breached its trust with the public" GliderGuider Jul 2013 #70

Their OP's are all so annoyingly trite, boring, and provincial. "Blah blah blah, traitor, blah blah" Zorra Jul 2013 #74

"Blah blah blah freedom and liberty blah blah 1984 blah blah hero blah blah." nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #79

I know, its always the same stupid and boring talking points quinnox Jul 2013 #145

neither is obsessive secrecy.... mike_c Jul 2013 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author felix_numinous Jul 2013 #90

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #92

I am new here what is K&R ? Mr.CT Jul 2013 #100

kick (the thread back to the top of the page) Kali Jul 2013 #142

There sure is a lot of tinfoil hattery in this thread shawn703 Jul 2013 #103

"When the government fears the people, there is liberty... polichick Jul 2013 #111

I just posted these snips from Harper's interview with Glen Greenwald... KoKo Jul 2013 #114

Such important truths - I'm disappointed that Pres. Obama... polichick Jul 2013 #117

Well fucking said! Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #126

What ProSense Jul 2013 #133

He doesn't have access or know all the keys. That is why torture is useless. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #161

No creon Jul 2013 #139

Well said, excellent point that cannot be ignored or underestimated Corruption Inc Jul 2013 #141

The Nixon treatment. Fearless Jul 2013 #149

K & R n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #150

Regarding Nine Eleven - ample evidence existed prior truedelphi Jul 2013 #152

I Pledge Allegience to the...Woah Now Justa Hold On Ah say Ah say Hold On just a cotton pickin'... BornLooser Jul 2013 #162

I think they *do* get that YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #168

(snork)... warrprayer Jul 2013 #176

What the Pro-Snowden crowd doesn't get: Snowden is an admitted felonious criminal Tx4obama Jul 2013 #179

Agreed. Phlem Jul 2013 #209

What a shame - ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #228

The folks who go after him by and large have also gone after LGBT rights and activists Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #188

snowden is fine but you won't get a platform around him Vic Vinegar Jul 2013 #189

interesting, thanks flamingdem Jul 2013 #208

Nope, Sensenbrenner says NSA will get fixed much faster than you think. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #210

Absolute wrong.... ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #229

Oh boy, another Snowden Thread exlrrp Jul 2013 #190

Maybe this is where we separate the wheat from the refined white flour... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #191

I agree with all that you have said but I just arthritisR_US Jul 2013 #212

Paul Revere was a traitor. Coyotl Jul 2013 #224

Kicked! Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #249

However, the "Snowden is a hero crowd" shawn703 Jul 2013 #250