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Manifestor_of_Light

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18. I'm not destroying true meaning. just pointing out contradictions. Just two examples.
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:52 AM
Feb 2012

Has anyone gone to heaven?
No one (except Jesus) has ascended into heaven.
John 3:13
No man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Some have ascended into heaven:
Genesis 5:24
And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; For God took him.

2 Kings 2:11
And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Hebrews 11:5
Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him.
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Salvation is by faith alone.
Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

John 3:18, 36
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already .... He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Acts 16:30-31
Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Romans 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God salvation to every one that believeth.... As it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Romans 3:20
By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight.

Romans 3:28
A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 4:2
For if Abraham were justified by works he hath whereof to glory?

Romans 4:13
For the promise ... was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.


Romans 5:1
Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 10
If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Galatians 2:16
A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:11-12
The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.

Salvation is NOT by faith alone:
Psalm 62:12
For you render to each one according to his works.

Proverbs 10:16
The labour of the righteous tendeth to life: the fruit of the wicked to sin.

Ecclesiastes 12:14
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Jeremiah 17:10
I the Lord ... give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Ezekiel 18:27
When the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness ... and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul.

Matthew 5:20
Except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.

Matthew 19:17
If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.

Matthew 25:41-46
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Luke 10:26-28
He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

John 5:29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Romans 2:6, 13
Who will render to each one according to his deeds. ... For not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified.

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the jugment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

2 Corinthians 11:15
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

Philippians 2:12
"Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

James 2:14
What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

James 2:17
Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

James 2:21-25
Was not Abraham our father justified by works? You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Likewise, was not Rabab the harlot also justified by works? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

1 Peter 1:17
The Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work.

Revelation 2:23
I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Revelation 20:12-13
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life.

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These are only two examples of hundreds in the bible. This is not a problem of interpretation or translation -- it's outright contradiction.

So christians should just ignore the ridiculous stuff. That would leave about five pages of stuff worth reading which is also found in many other religious and ethical traditions.

Christianity is a syncretic religion with no new elements in it that are unique to christianity.
Examples: Pagan evergreen trees at the winter solstice celebration. Easter is a pagan fertility
festival named after the goddess Ostara.

Mithra, Apollo, Osiris and many others are born of a virgin on December 25th and do miracles. What a coincidence!! (SARCASM)


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F...ing hilarious. russspeakeasy Feb 2012 #3
Sounds like Jeb Bartlett in a great West Wing episode!!! elleng Feb 2012 #4
I love it! natrlron Feb 2012 #27
"The bible is a book with some beautiful poetry, a blood stained history, a wealth of obscenity and Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #2
^ Twain is so often forgotten ^ Mimosa Feb 2012 #33
Jesus was gay. Vattel Feb 2012 #5
...and don't even get me started on shellfish! bhikkhu Feb 2012 #6
If I understand correctly Christ came to release raouldukelives Feb 2012 #7
Christians are followers Jesus Christ as presented in the New Testament. The Old nanabugg Feb 2012 #13
Matthew 5:18 "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away..." The Genealogist Feb 2012 #24
It may very well be I'm incorrect raouldukelives Feb 2012 #25
What bothers me the most about the people who read the Bible "literally" is that they WCGreen Feb 2012 #8
I agree with you WC madokie Feb 2012 #11
I'm going to lock this tkmorris Feb 2012 #9
I unlocked it tkmorris Feb 2012 #10
In the New Testament, Jesus said nothing against gay people. Paul did. Paul also said Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #12
You can't follow the instructions in the bible because they all contradict each other. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2012 #14
You are taking the Bible too literally. Which is what a lot of the far right does. Zax2me Feb 2012 #15
I'm pointing this out to Christians. These are facts. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2012 #16
I'm not destroying true meaning. just pointing out contradictions. Just two examples. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2012 #18
The "true meaning intended" was always to control and manipulate other people Major Nikon Feb 2012 #19
Tell me what is the true meaning of this? Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2012 #20
There is no reasoning with people who believe this way Major Nikon Feb 2012 #17
I agree but don't agree natrlron Feb 2012 #21
I'm referring to those who take extreme positions Major Nikon Feb 2012 #23
The Catholic Church does NOT believe the Bible is infallible. Drahthaardogs Feb 2012 #22
Right. I don't believe the Catholic church has any kind of 'bible study' in its 'curriculum'. trof Feb 2012 #29
I believe that the Bible exists... MrScorpio Feb 2012 #26
The 613 Commandments pokerfan Feb 2012 #28
Bible: Interpretation is the problem colinx Feb 2012 #30
Catholics are fine with gays as long as they are celibate. Or so they say. immoderate Feb 2012 #34
when I worked in Jesuit college.. colinx Feb 2012 #36
Sounds like they weren't celibate. immoderate Feb 2012 #37
Then again.... colinx Feb 2012 #38
The Bible.. sendero Feb 2012 #31
Here is my favorite commentary on the bible Fortran Feb 2012 #32
I most absolutely DO believe in The Bible. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #35
It is not that simple. Believe in the constitution? How about that 2nd Amendment... The Straight Story Feb 2012 #39
So people need to jump through your hoops vs somene elses in order to justify their beliefs? Skip Intro Feb 2012 #40
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