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Major Nikon

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71. Lot's of holes in that study, not one of which is rats /= humans

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:11 PM

Jul 2013

Complicating things further, the researchers cite a related study of female rats that found no difference in weight gain between animals that consumed HFCS or sugar over an eight-week period.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2010/03/high-fructose-corn-syrup-hfcs-sugar-princeton-study.html

Detractors point out what they say are even more devastating flaws in the Princeton study, including the decision to examine male and female rats in separate experiments and to attribute significance to statistically indistinguishable weights.

"I'm skeptical," leading food policy scholar Marion Nestle writes in a blog post. "I don't think the study produces convincing evidence of a difference between the effects of HFCS and sucrose on the body weight of rats."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/03/25/corn.syrup.sugar/index.html

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] DainBramaged Jul 2013 OP

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #1

K/R and fuck the Corn industry and the congressional asses they depend upon. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #2

And the people here they depend on for disinformation DainBramaged Jul 2013 #4

K & R Lifelong Protester Jul 2013 #3

It helps to pay attention to studies that aren't funded by big ag, oil companies, etc. Apophis Jul 2013 #5

You have to wonder why 'they' work so hard to disprove scientific studies here DainBramaged Jul 2013 #7

The study cited has many critics not just on DU maddezmom Jul 2013 #6

I lost 15 pounds cutting out HFCS and changing nothing else DainBramaged Jul 2013 #9

I agree HFCS is bad for us maddezmom Jul 2013 #12

"There are many factors that contribute to obesity." Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #18

...and spending too much time on DU? nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #123

I guess you could prop a pad on a treadmill. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #124

Good for you! ananda Jul 2013 #84

I am seriously considering going gluten free DainBramaged Jul 2013 #86

Gluten free- digonswine Jul 2013 #115

I lost 30 eliminating sugar, HFCS, grains, beer, and other processed crap. Fuddnik Jul 2013 #85

Stevia is wonderful, HUGE box in my cabinet DainBramaged Jul 2013 #88

The same study showed that female rats given sucrose gained no more than HFCS Major Nikon Jul 2013 #75

How about those of us who simply don't like HFCS because IT TASTES TERRIBLE??? Taverner Jul 2013 #8

Pepsi Throwback tastes like flat Coke sipped from an ashtray Orrex Jul 2013 #11

Kosher Coke and Pepsi Throwback are the only ways I roll... Taverner Jul 2013 #13

Try Mexican Coke jmowreader Jul 2013 #19

When I was much younger I preferred Peruvian.... DainBramaged Jul 2013 #21

Heigh-o! Orrex Jul 2013 #26

*snort* LadyHawkAZ Jul 2013 #37

I see what you did there. LisaLynne Jul 2013 #60

Mexican coke is the only soda I will drink alittlelark Jul 2013 #24

I think Costco is just now also carrying Mexican Fanta. Picked up a case last weekend. cascadiance Jul 2013 #51

I find that Mexican Coke costs about twice as much Orrex Jul 2013 #25

Mexican coke is good, but the Kosher stuff is cheaper Taverner Jul 2013 #35

stop drinking from the ashtray and it'll taste better leftyohiolib Jul 2013 #45

Don't try to change me Orrex Jul 2013 #47

Pepsi TimeToGo Jul 2013 #63

Oh, so it tastes like Pepsi... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #122

Have a sip of Coke, then have a sip of Mexican Coke LadyHawkAZ Jul 2013 #32

Done that. Orrex Jul 2013 #68

I remember reading somewhere that people's sensitivity to the HFCS flavor varies LadyHawkAZ Jul 2013 #77

Are you actually in AZ, LadyhawkAZ? Orrex Jul 2013 #81

Not any more LadyHawkAZ Jul 2013 #92

Twenty-four-hour endocrine and metabolic profiles following consumption of high-fructose corn syrup- FarCenter Jul 2013 #10

Wait one second! Maedhros Jul 2013 #14

Here DainBramaged Jul 2013 #16

Regardless WovenGems Jul 2013 #67

So because one person made a post, this site reeks with supporters who think exactly the same thing? meegbear Jul 2013 #82

I don't know if they actually choose HFCS for themselves, but I do know there's a contingent... Hekate Jul 2013 #17

I'm not so sure it's our food supply that has been poisoned laundry_queen Jul 2013 #40

Doesn't matter how many times it gets explained... Hekate Jul 2013 #103

Yep. BPA is in everything laundry_queen Jul 2013 #105

There used to be a DU'er named HiFructosePronSyrup SalviaBlue Jul 2013 #50

Gone but not forgotten Hekate Jul 2013 #104

Me too. SalviaBlue Jul 2013 #111

I don't drink a lot of pop, but when do it's HFCS free nt MrScorpio Jul 2013 #15

I hear you! ananda Jul 2013 #89

In the 70s in Michigan "fresh fruit" was drinking the syrup in a can of peaches. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #20

So what? Weight is not a disease. duffyduff Jul 2013 #22

(SIGH) I weigh 260 lbs, you really don't have a clue.... DainBramaged Jul 2013 #27

"I'll bet you are not beefcake material, by the way. " So you are saying that intending as an rhett o rick Jul 2013 #30

It's about the food additives DainBramaged Jul 2013 #34

Best of luck to you. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #70

You really need to keep up, this was discussed about a month ago. A Simple Game Jul 2013 #42

HFCS is that you!? Rex Jul 2013 #54

Good one DainBramaged Jul 2013 #56

That guy would argue that a heart attack from HFCS Rex Jul 2013 #58

A LOT of experts are turning up as we speak DainBramaged Jul 2013 #62

Yes, amazing what people will defend sometimes. Rex Jul 2013 #64

Pink slime DainBramaged Jul 2013 #65

Gag. They make McNuggets out of that stuff. Rex Jul 2013 #69

This thread is.... interesting Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #74

HFCS is corn, CHEMICALLY altered to taste like sugar. Avalux Jul 2013 #23

The technical name for the corn you eat is ... sweet corn. ieoeja Jul 2013 #43

Please read this: Avalux Jul 2013 #95

I remember that back in the 1980's when Congress was debating letting Corn Syrup replace truedelphi Jul 2013 #127

Cooking is one popular way to chemically alter food Major Nikon Jul 2013 #80

Too simplistic. Avalux Jul 2013 #96

It says the same thing with bigger words Major Nikon Jul 2013 #98

I don't get why people think HFCS is the same as sugar trublu992 Jul 2013 #28

Correlation does not imply causation Major Nikon Jul 2013 #83

No thanks get the red out Jul 2013 #29

Debunkin the corporate flunkies Berlum Jul 2013 #31

Seeing more and more products labeled NO HFCS Jesus Malverde Jul 2013 #33

Nah, the corn is going to ethanol DainBramaged Jul 2013 #36

I was wondering if HFCS had been relabel. -No New Name for High-Fructose Corn Syrup Jesus Malverde Jul 2013 #76

They want families to buy big bottles of ketchup? Then no HFCS lunasun Jul 2013 #59

That study (published in 2010, btw) is a complete mess enki23 Jul 2013 #38

SO HFCS good, Princeton bad? DainBramaged Jul 2013 #39

You are a genius. enki23 Jul 2013 #44

THANKS!!! DainBramaged Jul 2013 #48

Have anything substantive? I have an expertise here that is actually applicable. So fire away. enki23 Jul 2013 #57

Wow I am possibly impressed DainBramaged Jul 2013 #61

Just wanted to share your private message enki23 Jul 2013 #118

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #119

Here is the best "substantive" reply I got from that poster Major Nikon Jul 2013 #87

Right, you are smarter and have more resouces than Princeton. Rex Jul 2013 #94

So the entire basis of your argument is they are smart so nobody can question them? Major Nikon Jul 2013 #100

It's amazing watching the thread progress, and watching some panic over this DainBramaged Jul 2013 #106

Well you know how it is, hey did you hear John Hopkins released a study Rex Jul 2013 #107

So, you're saying the answer is "no." You have nothing substantive to say to what I wrote. enki23 Jul 2013 #117

You sir can go to hell DainBramaged Jul 2013 #120

This is an internet 'genius', posting his educational prowess (spew) on the DU because, well DainBramaged Jul 2013 #121

someone posted two maps: soda consumption and diabetes� they overlapped. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #41

Not surprisingly Major Nikon Jul 2013 #97

Renowned psychologist Bart Hoebel - who studied addiction, behavior - dies FarCenter Jul 2013 #46

That study is a mess, starting with the way they set up the comparison groups. The conditions HiPointDem Jul 2013 #49

So HFCS good, Princeton bad? DainBramaged Jul 2013 #52

Study finds link between high fructose corn syrup, Type 2 diabetes DainBramaged Jul 2013 #55

Well what would the Univeristy of Oxford know!? Rex Jul 2013 #101

Reminds me of when one of our most prolific trolls got banned. Rex Jul 2013 #53

I Found A BBQ Sauce w/ NO HFCS otohara Jul 2013 #66

Lot's of holes in that study, not one of which is rats /= humans Major Nikon Jul 2013 #71

The extra large people I know Enthusiast Jul 2013 #72

This is an exact quote from a person defending HFCS DainBramaged Jul 2013 #78

... Major Nikon Jul 2013 #90

Sounds like a shill for the corn growers. Apophis Jul 2013 #112

There are also people who promote the idea that substituting sucrose for HFCS will make you slimmer Major Nikon Jul 2013 #93

Sure.. another study from SoCalDem Jul 2013 #73

Absolutely DainBramaged Jul 2013 #79

I know you put me on ignore, but I don't get you - closeupready Jul 2013 #91

I had forgotten about that thread maddezmom Jul 2013 #108

Yes, and other kinds of preservatives, 'enhancers', and stabilizers. closeupready Jul 2013 #113

How is this still a debate? blackspade Jul 2013 #99

That's not the debate Major Nikon Jul 2013 #102

I'm not sure that that is true. blackspade Jul 2013 #109

Can you name any of them? Major Nikon Jul 2013 #125

Not off hand, and most of them would be several years old. blackspade Jul 2013 #126

Thanks for this info hankthecrank Jul 2013 #110

I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #114

"sugar--is--sugar" *smirk* MisterP Jul 2013 #116