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Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
52. Yes, laughable.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:42 PM
Jul 2013

I hope you understand that the use of hormones in cattle is not the same as a GMO. If not then you need to just start over. I am not going to fall for your "bait and switch" since we started talking about GMOs and are now talking about the use of hormones in cattle.

The truth is, I have more of a problem with hormones in cattle than I do with GMO crops or fish. There is a difference (IMO) since the hormones are something that can cause reactions within people/animals in the food chain. There is even some real evidence that this can cause problems, but since we have been consuming milk and beef that has had hormone injections for decades now, it would seem that the impact is minimal, or possibly less than minimal.

GMOs are different. Our bodies do not react to the DNA that we consume, unlike chemicals such as hormones. If we eat a lot of fish we do not grow gills. If we eat a lot of chicken we do not grow feathers. We simply do not break down the molecules that we consume in that way.



Now as for the laughable part.. here is just one:

The page you linked to has a link labeled "New study links GMO Food to Leukemia"


I clicked on this one first since a coworker/friend of mine has leukemia and I tend to read all I can about it. It isn't that I find Leukemia funny, I don't. The guy has been struggling for years and we can all tell when he isn't doing well. We also all see what he goes through after Chemotherapy. I just want to make clear that this is an issue I take seriously.. but this title is freaking hilarious.


Go to that page and you will find it talks about Roundup and crops sprayed with Roundup. Hell, I don't think anyone doubts that if you drink water with Roundup in it, or have rats do so, that the chances of cancers skyrocket. The same is true for food sprayed with Roundup. OK, fine.. we shouldn't consume Roundup. I get it.

This has nothing to do with so called "Frankenfood"! Even these sites can't come up with any evidence, or even any reasonable theory, linking altered DNA to health problems in humans.

This is Onion material.



Oh, and I consider the Union of Concerned Scientists article biased because of the one sided view it presents.


^snip^


Benefits of GE: Promise vs. Results


Supporters of GE in agriculture point to a multitude of potential benefits of engineered crops, including increased yield, tolerance of drought, reduced pesticide use, more efficient use of fertilizers, and ability to produce drugs or other useful chemicals. UCS analysis shows that actual benefits have often fallen far short of expectations.

Learn more:
Failure to Yield: Evaluating the Performance of Genetically Engineered Crops (2009)
No Sure Fix: Prospects for Reducing Nitrogen Fertilizer Pollution through Genetic Engineering (2009)
High and Dry: Why Genetic Engineering is Not Solving Agriculture's Drought Problem in a Thirsty World (2012)





WOW!!!! Look at all the benefits these "concerned scientists" found. None! They only say "that actual benefits have often fallen far short of expectation" but fail to explain just what those expectations were or who was expecting them. They even say often because even they must admit that some of the benefits have met expectations.

Now, can they spare a couple of lines to point out where GMOs have met expectations? I guess not. That would approach being fair and this article clearly will have none of that.





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Don't know where you're getting your research Brainstormy Jul 2013 #1
Scientific Research Databases BigL Jul 2013 #6
Who is funding the research ... LisaLynne Jul 2013 #10
Alzhieimers, MS and Parkinsons rates have skyrocketed Berlum Jul 2013 #37
Not necessarily in relation to GMOs BigL Jul 2013 #50
Nothing to add ... etherealtruth Jul 2013 #56
Welcome BigL mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #64
Could you give me a version with links to studies? Taverner Jul 2013 #9
Version? Brainstormy Jul 2013 #15
That article didn't have any links to studies - that's why I asked Taverner Jul 2013 #16
Have you read any of that stuff? Motown_Johnny Jul 2013 #17
Laughable? Brainstormy Jul 2013 #22
Yes, laughable. Motown_Johnny Jul 2013 #52
Ok, let's do this one at a time Brainstormy Jul 2013 #73
The 1st rule of being a conservative, take the asshole position NightWatcher Jul 2013 #2
That's why I think they should label GMOs Taverner Jul 2013 #13
Lemme add that I think antibiotics are WAY more dangerous than GMOs Taverner Jul 2013 #14
YES, but Brainstormy Jul 2013 #18
there be might some, but I'm pretty damn sure it's not for the same reasons... KG Jul 2013 #3
That's a good point. LisaLynne Jul 2013 #12
+1 Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #32
Wow! Brewinblue Jul 2013 #4
I think we need GMO food, but we're being very irresponsible about how we're doing it. Ian David Jul 2013 #5
Agreed Taverner Jul 2013 #7
Prediction... Pelican Jul 2013 #8
Then it is our task to...DUH DUH DAH! KEEP IT CIVIL! Taverner Jul 2013 #11
you're correct Brainstormy Jul 2013 #23
I think this thread would have better potential if "conservative" were defined. Socal31 Jul 2013 #19
Why food safety, GMOs, climate change, LOTS OF LIFE AND DEATH ISSUES . . . Brainstormy Jul 2013 #24
I agree 100% with the absolute need for definitions. Today's Republicans are at best HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #61
How about government intrusions into privacy? tularetom Jul 2013 #20
I side with the Libertarians on this one too Taverner Jul 2013 #21
I'd argue that's not a "conservative" standpoint Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #30
I think we should be strict with immigration. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #25
That's actually a quite reasonable stance Taverner Jul 2013 #27
It's not entirely a zero sum game, though jberryhill Jul 2013 #29
I'm not an economist either, but the economic growth we've seen for LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #41
I think we should be strict with immigration... polichick Jul 2013 #36
I don't know how much longer people can continue to breed at LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #44
I'm with you - such selfish, ignorant people... polichick Jul 2013 #45
Free-market conservatives absolutely LOVE undocumented immigrants Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #40
Yeah, they like it as long as the peons know their place. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #46
opposing government domestic spy programs bowens43 Jul 2013 #26
Yep. Same here. 100% Taverner Jul 2013 #28
those are mostly libertarians (and the left), not conservatives. allin99 Jul 2013 #33
Beat me to it! polichick Jul 2013 #35
That tattoos are ugly! Now you kids get off my lawn! spooky3 Jul 2013 #31
Guns are fine Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #34
I support gun ownership. sagat Jul 2013 #38
That really isn't a wedge issue, as most people do support it. Socal31 Jul 2013 #65
Voter ID laws eissa Jul 2013 #39
Election standards are set by States and I don't care to see your State's problems Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #70
Actually, my state is pretty awesome eissa Jul 2013 #72
Illegal immigrants Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #42
yep, those irish and poles datasuspect Jul 2013 #63
Illegal has no ethnicity Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #68
I can't think of anything I agree with them on. sinkingfeeling Jul 2013 #43
Surely you must think Bow Ties look neat? Taverner Jul 2013 #47
Nope, bow ties look like clown clothes. sinkingfeeling Jul 2013 #48
LOL Taverner Jul 2013 #49
Bow ties are cool. Crunchy Frog Jul 2013 #71
I suppose that I think that people have to take some measure of personal responsibility Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #51
I think all parties believe in personal responsibility Taverner Jul 2013 #62
Yeah, like I said I'm not sure it's really a "conservative" thing or not Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #66
I kinda support being able to eat whatever and how much you want Xyzse Jul 2013 #53
Bloomberg is an idiot and a Republican Taverner Jul 2013 #54
Agreed... Although I am also for subsidizing fruits and vegetables Xyzse Jul 2013 #55
I would be for some way for ads to list the calories of the food they sell Taverner Jul 2013 #58
That's pretty funny Xyzse Jul 2013 #60
I support the Keystone Pipeline. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #57
I am more worried about the fracking Taverner Jul 2013 #59
Less agreement with the conservatives but more on our own blind spots. BlueCheese Jul 2013 #67
Cultural Relativism distantearlywarning Jul 2013 #69
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