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Warpy

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13. So when are they going to arrest Grover Norquist?

Reply to Catherina (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 06:26 PM

Jul 2013

He's been planning the destruction of the US government for a very long time.

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Chris Hedges Responds to NDAA Defeat, "It is a black day for those who care about liberty" [View all] Catherina Jul 2013 OP

Our fight is definitely up hill... daleanime Jul 2013 #1

This is distressing news. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #2

Isn't it all? Every hour of every day. What can we do? chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #4

Jesus, what a drama queen. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #3

The Court turning a blind eye to this bad law is not the same as annulling it. 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #30

Yes, drama queens. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #43

Thank you for your "expert advice" 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #46

I do know to read a legal opinion. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #50

Why is it that you object to EVERY criticism of the security state? Maedhros Jul 2013 #49

This opinion is not pro security state. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #52

Your claim RE: the NDAA has been disputed by a number of people. Maedhros Jul 2013 #77

Read the opinion yourself. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #85

I can't argue with the court's ruling Maedhros Jul 2013 #92

Thoughtful response. A few points in return: geek tragedy Jul 2013 #93

Good points. Maedhros Jul 2013 #96

Because in 2011 the Republicans were in "Obama is too weak on terrorists" geek tragedy Jul 2013 #97

The AUMF needs to be repealed Maedhros Jul 2013 #98

Politically, they absolutely don't need to worry about it. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #99

oh.it's you. boilerbabe Jul 2013 #39

Damn. randome Jul 2013 #41

tag team makes it a florin nt tiny elvis Jul 2013 #44

,, questionseverything Jul 2013 #63

That means section 1022, like section 1021, does not geek tragedy Jul 2013 #64

not required is what it says questionseverything Jul 2013 #65

1022 is a requirement, not an authorization. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #69

we can't know what interpretation pscot Jul 2013 #100

The loaded gun is the 2001 AUMF, which Congress should repeal or amend substantially nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #101

right this is what we were all debating on here when it was first written. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #79

Lol, there you go again. The president claims to have the right to order the killing of an sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #71

The NDAA does not authorize the detention of American geek tragedy Jul 2013 #72

No, it has not said any such thing. It defers to the AUMF by NOT being specific, and under the AUMF sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #73

So, we agree that the NDAA is irrelevant to the geek tragedy Jul 2013 #74

No, we do not agree. The NDAA does not forbid the executive branch from detaining sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #75

It neither authorizes nor prohibits detention of geek tragedy Jul 2013 #76

NDAA Indefinite Detention Lawsuit Thrown Out ProSense Jul 2013 #5

The court gave the plaintiffs EXACTLY THE RULING THEY WANT. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #6

Yeah, but that doesn't generate traffic to PoopDig. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #9

People are so desperate to be oppressed that they geek tragedy Jul 2013 #12

k&r for exposure. This is very important. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #7

Big brother will not tolerate the impertinence of anyone trying to halt the steady assault on our indepat Jul 2013 #8

Did you read the court opinion, or just assume it's a travesty geek tragedy Jul 2013 #11

Did not read this opinion, but just summed up my cynical take on what has been transpiring indepat Jul 2013 #21

The court ruled that the NDAA doesn't authorize the detention of American citizens. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #24

I had read that: sounds like big brother has been overstepping in its zeal not to be accused of indepat Jul 2013 #33

Yes. Never mind what Chris Hedges et. al. are saying 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #32

The ACLU disagrees with Hedges. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #70

You conveniently left out the next two sentences 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #78

The court resolved that question as well, and gave the right answer. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #83

terrible news...nt xiamiam Jul 2013 #10

So when are they going to arrest Grover Norquist? Warpy Jul 2013 #13

When are they going to arrest the Koch Bros.? meow2u3 Jul 2013 #14

When Norquist squeals like the little piggie he is Warpy Jul 2013 #16

Gosh. There goes the First Amendment. Octafish Jul 2013 #15

No, the court ruled the exact opposite of that. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #17

YEP. Rex Jul 2013 #19

District judge agreed, but the 2nd circuit overruled district judge. HOWEVER geek tragedy Jul 2013 #20

It is about the same hysteria (imo) as the folks that believe Obama Rex Jul 2013 #22

Short summary of the outcome of this case: geek tragedy Jul 2013 #23

Yeah that is it, thanks for the elaboration. Rex Jul 2013 #25

Really? That's not what the ruling says, but, if you think so, great! Octafish Jul 2013 #28

I read it. It flatly states that the NDAA can't be geek tragedy Jul 2013 #45

Wrong. It says Americans can be classified as enemy combatants and detained indefinitely now. Octafish Jul 2013 #53

You did not read the opinion. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #58

You got that right. That's why I went to the experts. Octafish Jul 2013 #66

The plain language of the opinion. The ACLU agrees with geek tragedy Jul 2013 #68

You cannot fix this shit goddammit! DeSwiss Jul 2013 #18

Yes but the usual apologist here say the apple is not rotten zeemike Jul 2013 #31

No, those of us not wetting our undies geek tragedy Jul 2013 #47

So Cris Hedges is functional illiterate or lying. zeemike Jul 2013 #57

Or, you could read the opinion yourself geek tragedy Jul 2013 #59

Well I am not a lawyer. zeemike Jul 2013 #61

The ACLU agrees with me and the court geek tragedy Jul 2013 #67

You keep using that quote out of context dreamnightwind Jul 2013 #103

The court explicitly adopted the ACLU's position. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #104

Sorry if I'm being dense here, but dreamnightwind Jul 2013 #105

Here's the language from the opinion. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #106

Thanks for your reply dreamnightwind Jul 2013 #107

Once you get away from the 'easy' set of facts, i.e. the person geek tragedy Jul 2013 #108

Citizens who are declared enemy combatants? dreamnightwind Jul 2013 #110

If they're captured on the field of battle, geek tragedy Jul 2013 #111

K&R. Bad news, but the ACLU will keep up the fight. Also, maybe another whistle-blower like Snowden quinnox Jul 2013 #26

Kick & rec. ~nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #27

And Yet, Many Reflexively Genuflect To Authority When The Exsanguination Of Democracy Is Exposed cantbeserious Jul 2013 #29

... all the while attacking the messenger(s) as 'drama queens' ~nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #36

Yes - All Too True! cantbeserious Jul 2013 #37

Please cite the error in the court's ruling. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #48

I tire of reading sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #34

So, as I read the decision, citizens cannot challenge the NDAA language regarding struggle4progress Jul 2013 #35

Jump on the bandwagon! Let your outrage flag fly! randome Jul 2013 #38

NDAA Sections 1021 and 1022: Scary Potential Octafish Jul 2013 #40

High courts are already saying the NDAA doesn't allow for any of that stuff. phleshdef Jul 2013 #56

Let's remember what Mr Obama said about NDAA 2012 on signing it: struggle4progress Jul 2013 #42

Bullshit PR words. Let's remember that when Pres. Obama woo me with science Jul 2013 #80

The Conference Report on the Bill was over 1000 pages long, reflecting the length of the bill and struggle4progress Jul 2013 #82

Bullshit. That was a lot of attempted distraction. woo me with science Jul 2013 #86

"Don't confuse me with tiresome facts!" struggle4progress Jul 2013 #94

Just ignore the video and Levin's own words on the Senate floor. woo me with science Jul 2013 #95

Wow, you cited a Daily Kos diary to refute the 2nd Court of Appeals. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #89

very important point questionseverything Jul 2013 #90

from woo's link questionseverything Jul 2013 #91

beyond disturbing... nradisic Jul 2013 #51

Man the barricades, everybody. Jack Rabbit Jul 2013 #54

Thanks. I wondered if this had been decided yet. ReRe Jul 2013 #55

Federal Appeals Court Restores US Govt’s Indefinite Detention Power Previously Blocked by Judge Catherina Jul 2013 #60

K&R'd. snot Jul 2013 #62

"a black day"? ucrdem Jul 2013 #81

Obama wins back the right to indefinitely detain under NDAA dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #84

Shockingly, the RT article is one big fat lie. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #88

Is this the same Circuit Court that the 'thugs have kept 4 judges short... blackspade Jul 2013 #87

America waited too long to start fighting back. woo me with science Jul 2013 #102

du rec. xchrom Jul 2013 #109