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88. One word: OBAMACARE

Reply to apples and oranges (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:30 AM

Jul 2013

I think the 2014 election in both houses hinges on how well or poorly the individual mandate portion of Obamacare plays out next year. If people like it I think the Dems should do pretty well; if it is bungled then we could be in some deep doo-doo. So there, Nate can just shut off his computers until the late spring or summer of next year, these results are meaningless.

What I don't see playing a large factor in next year's elections is the NSA scandal, I don't think the Repubs will touch it given that much of it could probably be traced back to Darth Cheney. They would love nothing more than to able to pin it on Obama but their fingerprints are all over it. No, I think they're going to go all out and try to sabotage Obamacare as much as they can, and if they succeed they very well may get both houses. Obamacare came at a hugely tremendous political cost and we could still be feeling the aftershocks in 2014 if it gets off to a shaky start but I certainly hope that by 2016 it will have been in place long enough for the kinks to have been sorted out so that most people (the 99%) will like it.

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Nate Silver: Senate may tip for GOP in 2014 [View all] apples and oranges Jul 2013 OP

part of the plan DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #1

And if that happens, "WE"--and by "WE" I also mean the people who spend their days here saying how MADem Jul 2013 #2

Yeah... losing the Senate will be the fault of whoever you don't like on DU. cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #5

You need to really work on those reading skills, there, skippy. MADem Jul 2013 #10

Why do you and "The Group" avoid like the plague some threads? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #13

What are you insinuting, in a rather UGLY and UNCIVIL fashion? MADem Jul 2013 #22

I just find it curious that some subjects seem to be verboten to those rhett o rick Jul 2013 #65

I find it curious that you fancy yourself the gatekeeper of where people "need" to go on DU. MADem Jul 2013 #68

You are right of course. I will have to learn not to let it bother me. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #72

+1 JVS Jul 2013 #71

Do the politicians who go back on promises and the Democratic platform share none of the blame? last1standing Jul 2013 #8

Get off your behind and work for the politicians you want to see win. MADem Jul 2013 #11

So you can "cry to me" that it's the fault of those who complain about these politicians... last1standing Jul 2013 #14

There is only ONE problem here, in the short term--and that is 2014, the OP topic. MADem Jul 2013 #19

I took umbrage because I also complain when politicians break promises. last1standing Jul 2013 #23

Do it, then. Call them out on it. You don't need my permission. MADem Jul 2013 #25

I wasn't asking your permission, I was responding to your post denouncing complainers. last1standing Jul 2013 #31

I can handle "whine and work" but I'm not seeing much of that here. MADem Jul 2013 #37

You and I see this issue from opposite ends. last1standing Jul 2013 #43

I think that many of the complainers don't do anything BUT complain. MADem Jul 2013 #47

Perhaps it's frustration. last1standing Jul 2013 #50

I have the same feeling. Those who relentlessly denigrate the only viable opposition to total GOP freshwest Jul 2013 #73

Day-um! That is a BRILLIANT analogy!!! MADem Jul 2013 #76

Thanks, I'm glad it made some sense. IMO, it's get with it or get this: freshwest Jul 2013 #77

OMG that link---gaaaah! MADem Jul 2013 #78

I can't even entertain that thought. Marie Marie Jul 2013 #3

I'm confused... Lancero Jul 2013 #54

question is do dems really have a distinct brand that is effectively promoted by leadership> msongs Jul 2013 #4

Sure, if you consider gun control, reproduction rights, civil rights, pay equity... a distinct brand apples and oranges Jul 2013 #7

Don't forget Equality....but hey, the gripers will INSIST that there's no difference. MADem Jul 2013 #12

If "gun control" is a winning issue, go for it. n/t AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #39

As long as Democrats embrace Republican policy mick063 Jul 2013 #6

Let me guess: The answer is to give republicans MORE power? apples and oranges Jul 2013 #9

Yes mick063 Jul 2013 #15

Do you ever wonder why people think that throwing insults at you will cause you to overlook events? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #41

As long as "Democrats" embrace negativity and don't GOTV, they are certain to lose. MADem Jul 2013 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author MADem Jul 2013 #27

It's waaay too early to be making predictions on 2014. reformist2 Jul 2013 #16

Probably not for Silver. Kablooie Jul 2013 #59

The thought of having a Republicans House and Senate makes me nauseous davidpdx Jul 2013 #18

That is what he said last election 4now Jul 2013 #20

With Obama's reliably persistent dismissal of his base, 2014 will be like 2010. PSPS Jul 2013 #21

l am part of Obama's Base and we will be out working Cha Jul 2013 #28

Yes. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #40

Already posted here: Triana Jul 2013 #24

The trend is against the Democrats Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #48

Sabato projections says the Democrats are Dawson Leery Jul 2013 #84

It would be nice if the trend could be bucked next year Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #87

That is a shame about SChweitzer! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #26

Yeah, I hope Nate's wrong on this, too.. Cha Jul 2013 #29

I want to see Mitch go down. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #32

That will be a sweet sweet thing.. I'll Cha Jul 2013 #33

Well he is not liked in the state so the dems could win. Dems do win state wide offices, as the dem hrmjustin Jul 2013 #35

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Initech Jul 2013 #30

Great, more gridlock. steelmania75 Jul 2013 #34

Isn't there some shot at North Carolina since the Gop crackdown seems to be backfiring? trublu992 Jul 2013 #36

I'm from NC ceonupe Jul 2013 #46

That's what they said for 2012 BainsBane Jul 2013 #38

Nate's predictions have been spot on apples and oranges Jul 2013 #42

Not this far out. Even he would concede that. He creates models that BainsBane Jul 2013 #44

Agreed. I'm frankly floored--how can it even be close? What are people thinking? snot Jul 2013 #45

Once again. What a lot of people here don't understand apples and oranges Jul 2013 #51

He's missed a few. Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #57

Does Nate have any suggestions about how to change the trend? GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #49

In that case, I need to know how to get out of the country. n/t BellaKos Jul 2013 #52

I just hope MFM008 Jul 2013 #53

God forbid. I'll be working to make sure this doesn't happen. diane in sf Jul 2013 #55

Seems a bit early even for Nate Silver LearningCurve Jul 2013 #56

I feel no push from Democrats anywhere but lots of steam from Repiblicans. Kablooie Jul 2013 #58

it could be his way of telling Dems to start acting like Dems Skittles Jul 2013 #60

+1 Historic NY Jul 2013 #61

So says the luckiest man in the world. n/t Dawgs Jul 2013 #62

Well, WTH not?! We're "a kinder and a gentler nation" now! WinkyDink Jul 2013 #63

Nate Silver knows nothing. He is a hack. Am I doing this right? Safetykitten Jul 2013 #64

"How do I get to Carnegie Hall?" WinkyDink Jul 2013 #69

Mission Accomplished--get ready for "free speech zones" part 2 librechik Jul 2013 #66

Exactly what is needed to wake people up. mick063 Jul 2013 #75

yeah(maybe)but it's too late to do anything about it, thx to GOP Congresses and judiciary. librechik Jul 2013 #85

It was possible that the GOP could win in 2012 Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #67

I'm a little surprised by the push back apples and oranges Jul 2013 #70

"close to even-money", that's a relief 0rganism Jul 2013 #74

The Tea Party nutjob wing of the GOP will likely save us again. All it will take... stevenleser Jul 2013 #79

Here's an idea: Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #80

+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #81

Silver is saying at this time (summer 2013) the GOP has a 50/50 chance to win the Senate. Dawson Leery Jul 2013 #82

How so? Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #83

And remember the rogue states have complete freedom to change voting rules at the last minute now. Kablooie Jul 2013 #86

One word: OBAMACARE Rstrstx Jul 2013 #88