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Jackpine Radical

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Thu Jul 18, 2013, 09:18 AM Jul 2013

In a major way, it doesn't really matter whether Snowden released NEW [View all]

information about the extent of US surveillance. (I think he did, but I'm not going to get into a pissing match to prove it.)

Personally, I didn't know anything about the extent of it, but I have generally been aware of the potential for my electronic communications to be stored & monitored, & have tried to conduct myself accordingly. I don't think I'm unique in that regard.

The important thing in my mind is that in the Before-Snowden era, nobody was talking about it; and a lot of people were either in denial or cognitive oblivion about the whole thing.

Now, Post-Snowden, we are paying attention. Politicians from the far right like (ick!) Sensenbrenner to the middle-left like Wyden (there is no far left) are up & screaming.

Our allies, fearful of their own citizens, are hypocritically jumping down our throats about it (never mind their own surveillance programs or their collaboration with us). The hypocrisy is of far less import than the amazing international scope of the brouhaha.

For anyone who values freedom, who deplores secret courts using secret means to secretly authorize secret surveillance activities, Snowden and his associates have been a potential game-changer. And it matters not a whit if they are heroes or villains. The fact is that we are all now talking about a whole pile of corruption that had previously been hidden from sight, secretly festering at the core of our rights as citizens of the world.

In the past, a few of us have been aware, to some degree, of many very bad things that we were unable to alert the public at large to. Nobody would pay attention. Now, Post-Snowden, the public at large has at last awakened to one element of the worldwide power-grab that the Masters of the Universe, and their government lackeys, are in the process of enacting.

For that, we are in debt to Snowden and his supporters.

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Great post, Jackpine, thanks. Scuba Jul 2013 #1
I doubt it's a game changer Shivering Jemmy Jul 2013 #2
We'll see. The debate has certainly shone a light on our moral compasses. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #3
Our government should not be acquring this information no matter what. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #13
I completely agree. k&r n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #4
Love your sig line. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #5
Thanks. I haven't changed it since the Summer of 2009. Laelth Jul 2013 #11
And I love yours too bread_and_roses Jul 2013 #14
Elegantly stated. think4yourself Jul 2013 #6
Q&A Time in Congress = Finally marions ghost Jul 2013 #10
In an indirect way, that's what really disturbs me.... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #7
The NSA apparatus was built marions ghost Jul 2013 #20
I'd contend all of congress knew about it and is trying to cover their asses Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #23
At a higher level, it doesn't really matter Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #24
I think they knew too Go Vols Jul 2013 #29
the aclu's newest law suit says questionseverything Jul 2013 #30
Yes but how much did they really know? marions ghost Jul 2013 #26
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #8
Agree. nt navarth Jul 2013 #9
And, if it can bring renewed attention to other reports about massive suveillance KoKo Jul 2013 #12
The issue is Snowdenballing. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #15
Secret Courts allow us to... whttevrr Jul 2013 #16
"Ever hear of that?" Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #17
CRAP!! whttevrr Jul 2013 #18
I hear Nossink Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #21
Yes. nt freedom fighter jh Jul 2013 #19
Good post, Jackpine! K&R Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #22
DURec leftstreet Jul 2013 #25
Well, blogs and talking heads are talking some about it but baronjake Jul 2013 #27
Here's the problem, ProSense Jul 2013 #28
Lol. n/t ronnie624 Jul 2013 #32
Lol! Th1onein Jul 2013 #33
Great post! deurbano Jul 2013 #31
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