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Vietnameravet

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Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:29 PM Jul 2013

I have been reading the praises of Edward Snowden [View all]

...and the condemnation of Obama and government spying, so much so, I just had to ask some questions.

I am open to changing my mind, even if you don't think so, but here are the questions I want answered.

I cannot see how my liberties have been taken from me and my freedom gone simply because some agency may track who I am in contact with, if they are doing that in an effort to stop another terrorist attack on this country. I realize this takes a bit of trust but are we all so jaded that we trust no one and think Obama is another Dick Cheney?

Just how is the NSA supposed to find terrorists without spying? If a suspected terrorist contacts someone here is the government to do nothing because someone might loose a bit of privacy? And how is the NSA supposed to know who is and who is not a terrorist without spying, which obviously involves checking emails from people who turn out to be innocent. Some talk about freedom but don't I deserve the freedom to be able to go where I please without fearing another terrorist attack?( Sure success is not guaranteed but cant we even try?)

And if there is an attack am I suppose to tell the victims, that is simply the price they must pay so no one will open my email or track my phone calls even if they are to suspected terrorists? My privacy trumps their lives?

And please answer this; How is this talk about loosing freedom and an out of control authoritarian state over the issue of spying any different from the NRA ranting about the same issues when gun buyers are asked to register their guns or have their backgrounds checked when they buy an assault rifle? Sounds like the same logic to me.

And on the matter of Ed Snowen..some say he is not the issue while others call him a hero. To me, he could have made the public aware of this spying in a way so as to preserve the secrets he promised to keep, but he didn't.

He had no right to take upon himself the authority to reveal counter-terrorism secrets, as long as he had legitimate methods of expressing his concerns. He had such methods but he chose not to use them. Instead, he took authority upon himself which no one granted him.

I think its obvious he lied when he pledged secrecy and he stole secrets he was to safeguard and that makes him a liar and a thief in my mind.



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The definition of "terrorist" will expand to include all civil disobedience. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #1
What good is liberty if one must relinquish it in the name of safety? Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #2
I think most of us aren't just condemning Obama, but Bush and many other predecessors as well... cascadiance Jul 2013 #3
I am ok with the govt tracking me, as long as I can do the same with them The Straight Story Jul 2013 #4
Why didn't Snowden go through "Proper Channels"...LINK KoKo Jul 2013 #5
You asked. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #6
Okay thanks for your post but Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #7
You suck at this. The 'I came to characterize' agenda is far too clear, your lexicon Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #10
Thanks for the polite reply,.,. Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #13
I'm not interested in answering duplicity with kindness. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #14
Maybe you should learn to read..that might help Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #24
If you want to find terrorists inside the US, watch "our" terrorists the CIA lets in. Every major leveymg Jul 2013 #38
Where are these 'praises of Edward Snowden?' n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #8
Come on man..they are everywhere..he is a hero..to some and they have said it.. Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #9
Here at DU? Did you maybe mean Obama? leftstreet Jul 2013 #11
well I think if you check you will find Snowden refered to as a hero in several posts.... Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #12
Search function just finds snark 'hero' threads leftstreet Jul 2013 #16
Maybe you should learn to read..that might help Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #28
At least you have a solid go to. morningfog Jul 2013 #30
LOL. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #44
Only 2 of those were generated by DUers leftstreet Jul 2013 #45
Don't entertain it. That type of "I din't see nothing!" is a waste of time Number23 Jul 2013 #23
You got it...!!! now they just dont see what they were so full of last week.. Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #26
It is totally disingenuous and a quick google proves otherwise emulatorloo Jul 2013 #42
I posted one. bemildred Jul 2013 #15
Ah I saw that leftstreet Jul 2013 #17
About that, I can agree. bemildred Jul 2013 #19
There's too much confusion...I can't get no relief... kentuck Jul 2013 #18
They have you scared! It is working! n-t Logical Jul 2013 #20
what does that mean? he doesn't sound scared--just prudent Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #33
Lol, gullible much? n-t Logical Jul 2013 #47
I very happily added my name to the recommend list madokie Jul 2013 #21
I agree Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #25
Here's my run-down of the issues: struggle4progress Jul 2013 #22
Nice! Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #40
K&R. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #27
Thanks Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #29
"Tangible difference in their life" shouldn't be the measuring stick. morningfog Jul 2013 #34
excellent analysis and questions Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #31
Honestly if anyone on this thread cannot find others full of praise for Snowden then Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #32
When all else fails, compare them to rush! morningfog Jul 2013 #35
All else did not fail ..the Rush thing was a bonus! Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #36
You are working under the erroneous Waronterra, Inc. marketing assumptions. morningfog Jul 2013 #37
whatever.. Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #39
Boogey boogey boo! morningfog Jul 2013 #41
Don't let people tell you the praise hasn't been strong. This is just scratching the surface: AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #43
K&R. Excellent questions. great white snark Jul 2013 #46
Actually, they are not reading our emails and spying on us. jazzimov Jul 2013 #48
Carl Bernstein said it looks to him like the safeguards and restrictions at the NSA are good. randome Jul 2013 #49
Keep believing that if you like Savannahmann Jul 2013 #50
If one buys the company line then that's the train of thought. snappyturtle Jul 2013 #52
Thank you. lumpy Jul 2013 #51
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